Jordan Clarkson Discussion: Sky's the limit!

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  1. LaVarBallsDad

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    So true, LJ. I look forward watching him every game. I loved him in SL and he has surpassed my expectations so much...
     
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    He has some great potential. One of the bright spots this season that makes it worth tuning in to watch.

    One area where I think he can greatly improve is his ability to draw fouls. He's only averaging about 2 fts per game. All great players find a way to get to the line.
     
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    Count Carlisle in as one of Clarkson's supporters. Read in today's LA Times Sports Laker section...he was really positive in his comments about the rookie. Then he added he developed out of good coaching specifically mentioning Scott.
     
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    Good looking distribution. Shoots from everywhere.
     
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    The Rookie Ladder guys at NBA.com moved up to #8.

    He's still behind McDaniels for some reason? He's also behind Smart even though the writer openly admits that Clarkson has been better lately. I'd put Clarkson right now ahead of both of them and ahead of probably Nurkic as well. Clarkson is, to me, undoubtedly one of the five best players from the draft... you know after Randle and Parker have missed most or all of the year.
     
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    The big question is, can he be our starting PG?
     
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    I think he can eventually, but I'm not convinced he's ready to be the starter on a really competitive team...
     
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    Some numbers I found interesting.....

    Home shooting percentage - 41.4%
    Away shooting percentage - 45%

    At rim - 64% (RW - 59%, Monta Ellis - 62%, Goran Dragic - 71%)
    3-10 ft - 33% (RW - 33%, ME - 40%, GD - 38%)
    10-16 ft - 52% (RW -39.7%, ME - 39%, GD - 37%)
    16-3pt - 37% (RW - 37.6%, ME - 43%, GD - 36%)
    3 point - 29.7% (RW - 28.5%, ME - 31%, GD - 36%)

    Shooting percentage by quarter
    1st - 49%
    2nd - 40%
    3rd - 38%
    4th - 47%

    Time left in game
    less than 3 minutes - 38%
    3-6 minutes - 45%
    >6 minutes - 47%

    Game score
    <5 points - 47%
    6-10 points - 43%
    >10 points - 39%

    Shoots better on the road, good percentage in the 4th quarter and when the game is close. Smart shots with a little clutchness.
     
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    ^ Well I think what I love too those numbers mixed with the chart from the other page.

    This kid has a wide variety of weapons offensively already. He's found the same little step back that Nash and Kobe use in the pick and roll where you come around the pick, cut sideways back towards the middle. The defender is almost always late so the big has to step out which leaves the big man open or you get a wide open free throw. He's pretty good with catch-and-shoot three pointers to space the floor. He's got a bunch of ways to finish around the rim... Really digging this kid's offensive development.
     
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    If we did get Rondo, and I hope we don't; nevertheless, let's just play around a little and say we got Rondo, Clarkson could conceivably work with Rondo in the back court. Clarkson doesn't need the ball to be effective; he could move off-ball and use his spot up shooting ability, get out in transition, slash, cut, work off screens, etc...you could conceivably put Kobe out there at the SF position have have a Rondo/Clarkson/Kobe trio out there at various times.

    I would prefer two big interchangeable guard such as Russell/Clarkson or even Mudiay/Clarkson; that provides much more intrigue and may even be a better fit in the long-term. However, the above scenario could work out and be effective...
     
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    Absolutely, here are his averages since the all-star break.

    15.0pts (50.8FG%)
    4.0reb
    4.7ast

    If he trains hard in the offseason, he could become a 17/5/6 player next year. Those are starter numbers. In fact, those are Top 10 PG numbers.

    In case you are wondering what Dragic averages....
    16.2pts
    3.6reb
    4.2ast

    And what a 'real' max-type player, Kyle Lowry averages...
    18.3pts
    4.5reb
    6.9ast

    Clarkson can be at Lowry's level in a couple more years. Considering that we are going to be a borderline playoff/lottery team for at least 2 more seasons, we might as well accelerate the development of our future core than get 29 year-old overpaid rentals (Rondo, Dragic)
     
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    @tttttada so you think he can be our starting PG next year? Do others think he is capable of doing this in his 2nd season? If our front office does believe that he can be our starting PG next year, it could potentially have a big impact on who we draft.
     
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    Yes, I think he's capable of this productivity in his 2nd season, and I think he has the potential to be even better, IMO. No, it doesn't affect who we draft. Why? Russell/Mudiay are both big combo guards that facilitate and look to get others involved before they look to score themselves; as much improvement as Clarkson as made in an attempt to convert to the PG, Mudiay and Russell both have better play making ability, court awareness, passing ability, while Clarkson is still learning those things; albeit, at an accelerated rate. Point is they compliment Clarkson and you could still take either of those PG's forming with two big interchangable guards that could potentially be your back-court for the future.
     
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    Yes I do.

    He is probably the second best rookie behind Wiggins. I can tell you with assurance that the T-wolves are in no hurry to sign a big name SF next year to bench Wiggins. Why would we?

    Remember, we are rebuilding.
     
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    I also find it interesting that almost everyone considers Randle our starting PF next year, but quick to dismiss Clarkson, when clearly, Clarkson is the more polished and proven player. I guess he is still an underdog, even in Lakers nation.
     
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    I mean isn't that more a function of availability? If I had to decide between the two I pick Randle before you finish asking the question. If Randle were able to play all season I think he'd definitely have made similar strides in terms of development. As things go it seems he's made quite a lot of mental growth as he's recovered.
     
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    I agree with both your points, but even with the recent development of JC, people will be making depth charts like....

    Rondo/Clarkson
    Kobe/Ellington
    Mathews/Young
    Randle/Black
    Towns/Davis

    Or even Mudiay/Clarkson at the 1

    And I'd be scratching my head because the kid deserves better.
     
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    Maybe and maybe not. I think long-term he projects as a starter, but I'd rather see him off the bench right now. I think it's not just easier for him, but better for us. It's not an insult to play behind Rondo or Mudiay or Russell. It just gives us more options with which to attack opposing teams.

    Let me put it this way: even if we nailed down Marc Gasol this summer, would we have a starting five comparable to Western Conference Playoff teams? No. But if we had Clarkson, Young, Davis, Ellington, etc. off the bench we might have the kind of depth that could get us to the playoffs despite not having the best starting five.
     
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    @therealdeal maybe true, which makes a signing like Jameer Nelson look even better, we know what we're getting and we know he can produce. Drafting a rookie PG is a high gamble.
     
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