WWIII - USA/UK Vs. Russia/others

revgen · Apr 16, 2018

Since it looks like we're getting ready for WWIII, I figured we'd better have a thread for it.

Russia Accuses UK of Masterminding Chemical Weapons Attack in Syria

The Russian Defense Ministry has presented what it says is proof that the reported chemical weapons attack in Syria was staged. It also accused the British government of pressuring the perpetrators to speed up the “provocation.”
During a briefing on Friday, the ministry showed interviews with two people, who, it said, are medical professionals working in the only hospital operating in Douma, a town near the Syrian capital, Damascus.

In the interviews released to the media, the two men reported how footage was shot of people dousing each other with water and treating children, which was claimed to show the aftermath of the April 7 chemical weapons attack. The patients shown in the video suffered from smoke poisoning and the water was poured on them by their relatives after a false claim that chemical weapons were used, the ministry said.

“Please, notice. These people do not hide their names. These are not some faceless claims on the social media by anonymous activists. They took part in taking that footage,” said ministry spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov.

“The Russian Defense Ministry also has evidence that Britain had a direct involvement in arranging this provocation in Eastern Ghouta,” the general added, referring to the neighborhood of which Douma is part. “We know for certain that between April 3 and April 6 the so-called White Helmets were seriously pressured from London to speed up the provocation that they were preparing.”

According to Konashenkov, the group, which was a primary source of photos and footage of the purported chemical attack, was informed of a large-scale artillery attack on Damascus planned by the Islamist group Army of Islam, which controlled Douma at the time. The White Helmets were ordered to arrange the provocation after retaliatory strikes by the Syrian government forces, which the shelling was certain to lead to, he said.

The UK rejected the accusations, with British UN Ambassador Karen Pierce calling them “grotesque,” “a blatant lie” and “the worst piece of fake news we've yet seen from the Russian propaganda machine.”

One of the interviews published by the ministry showed a man who said his name was Halil Ajij, and who said he was a medical student working at Douma’s only operational hospital. This is how he described the origin of the footage:

“On April 8, a bomb hit a building. The upper floors were damaged and a fire broke at the lower floors. Victims of that bombing were brought to us. People from the upper floors had smoke poisoning. We treated them, based on their suffocation."

Ajij said that a man unknown to him came and said there was a chemical attack and panic ensued. “Relatives of the victims started dousing each other with water. Other people, who didn’t seem to have medical training, started administering anti-asthma medicine to children. We didn’t see any patient with symptoms of a chemical weapons poisoning,” he said.

The first photos claiming to show the aftermath of the alleged chemical attack on April 7 were published online on the same day, and featured the bodies of many people, including children, some with foam around their mouths and noses. Footage from the hospital was released on Sunday, with the sources behind it claiming that it had been shot on Saturday.

Konashenkov said Russia hoped that international monitors from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which is due to investigate the circumstances of the incident, will help establish the truth. He added Eastern Ghouta is currently trying to return to peaceful life after being liberated from militant groups by Syrian government forces. He called on other nations and international organizations to provide humanitarian aid, which is badly needed in the area. Russia is already supplying food, medicine, building materials and other essential supplies to the neighborhood, he said.

Residents of the neighborhood, who previously fled violence, are returning to their homes now that the area is relatively safe, the Russian official said. The latest reports from the ground say about 63,000 people have returned, which is over half of the displaced residents, he added.

The reported chemical weapons attack escalated tensions over Syria, just as Damascus was about to seize full control of Eastern Ghouta. The US and allies such as the UK and France threatened military action in response to what they claim is an atrocity committed by the Syrian government. Russia insists the incident was staged and said it reserves the right to counter any attack on Syria.

RT spoke about the Russian claims with Lord Alan West, a retired officer of the British Royal Navy. He said he had strong reservations about taking allegations against Damascus at face value, because it didn’t make much military sense.

“It seems to be utterly ludicrous for the military that is in the process of taking over an area to go and do something with chemical weapons, which will draw the wrath of the larger enemy down upon them,” he said. “If I was advising the opponents of [Syrian President Bashar] Assad, I would be delighted to kill a few people there. Let’s face it, [the insurgents] don’t care if they kill women and children.”

“I am not willing to accept tweets. We need to see incontrovertible truth about what has happened there and make a decision on that basis,” he added.
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revgen · Apr 16, 2018

Russian TV Advises Viewers to Stockpile Food/Water in Preparation for US Conflict

Updated | Claiming that some Americans are preparing for a coming war with Moscow, Russian state-owned television explained to the country’s residents how to stock their bunkers with water and basic foodstuffs in case a war breaks out.

Warning that the potential conflict between the two superpowers would be “catastrophic,” an anchor for Russia’s Vesti 24 showed off shelves of food, recommending that people buy salt, oatmeal and other products that can last a long time on the shelves if they plan to hide in a bunker. Powdered milk lasts five years, while sugar and rice can last up to eight years, the newscaster explained before showing videos of pasta cooking in a bomb shelter.

The beginning of the program had a mocking tone about war fears, as pictures of nuclear explosions played in the background. A newscaster said the "real panic isn’t here but across the ocean,” suggesting that Americans are terrified of a war with Russia.
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therealdeal · Apr 17, 2018

I've heard mostly jokes here too.

What i'm confused about is didn't many people say the Russians wanted Trump elected? That Trump and Putin were tight? And now we're going to WW3 for Syria?

I don't really understand these conflicts.

John3:16 · Apr 17, 2018

Back to back world war champs going for the threepeat.

* I doubt we really have another WW.

revgen · Apr 17, 2018

therealdeal said: ↑

I've heard mostly jokes here too.

What i'm confused about is didn't many people say the Russians wanted Trump elected? That Trump and Putin were tight? And now we're going to WW3 for Syria?

I don't really understand these conflicts.
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I'm inclined to believe this is a bunch of BS, but you never can tell for sure.

therealdeal · Apr 17, 2018

I feel like actual tension is lacking in this conflict. There's no impending physical confrontations.

Is the world really going to blow each other up over Syria? I can't see it happening. Irritation could flare, but once people stop using chemical warfare so loosely, things will die down.

Barnstable · Apr 17, 2018

therealdeal said: ↑

I feel like actual tension is lacking in this conflict. There's no impending physical confrontations.

Is the world really going to blow each other up over Syria? I can't see it happening. Irritation could flare, but once people stop using chemical warfare so loosely, things will die down.
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Trump is the....

therealdeal · Apr 17, 2018

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Trump is the....

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My question is which is it? Is he Putin's buddy or is he going to nuke the planet for a country that the whole world has forsaken? I just can't see it. If Russia/China were threatening US citizens or UK citizens, then I think it becomes exponentially more dangerous/likely, but for Syria? I don't know.

davriver209 · Apr 17, 2018

They need to decide if they’re gonna commit to Syria or not. The place is a wasteland full of corruption, killings and decaying cities. Middle strikes here and there isn’t gonna fix anything. If we wanna purge the place, we need to hit it hard and fast.

Of course I know the political implications are far more complicated, but Syria is just a mess and needs to be cleaned. The Middle East has shown its incompetency when it comes to maintaining order...

revgen · Apr 17, 2018

davriver209 said: ↑

They need to decide if they’re gonna commit to Syria or not. The place is a wasteland full of corruption, killings and decaying cities. Middle strikes here and there isn’t gonna fix anything. If we wanna purge the place, we need to hit it hard and fast.

Of course I know the political implications are far more complicated, but Syria is just a mess and needs to be cleaned. The Middle East has shown its incompetency when it comes to maintaining order...
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Syria and Iraq are a mess because the neocons and their Democratic Party friends across the aisle had the bright idea to finance and arm the "free Syrian army" who eventually became ISIS.

therealdeal · Apr 18, 2018

I'm at the point where we should let these places deal with their own matters. The only reason I was okay with this strike is because of the repeated use of chemical warfare on non-military personnel. There has to be some sort of rules of engagement.

But a full scale war? No thanks. We don't need that. They don't want that. You'd think after 30 years, we'd learn to let the Middle East resolve themselves.

Savory Griddles · Apr 18, 2018

therealdeal said: ↑

I'm at the point where we should let these places deal with their own matters. The only reason I was okay with this strike is because of the repeated use of chemical warfare on non-military personnel. There has to be some sort of rules of engagement.

But a full scale war? No thanks. We don't need that. They don't want that. You'd think after 30 years, we'd learn to let the Middle East resolve themselves.
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It's been 30 years of us saying, "Just the tip." then 5 minutes later we've plunged all the way in. That oil is just soooo sexy.

therealdeal · Apr 18, 2018

Well now that the world is moving towards renewable energy sources, the Middle East is in even more dire straits.

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