Lakers Plan To Explore Dragic Trade Or Offer Him $20m Per Year In Off-season

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  1. SmoothOperator

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    After last night's game against Miami, here's why it's a bad idea to offer Dragic a 20 million max...

    Dragic and Jeremy Lin were going toe to toe. I'll give credit for Lin turning it on ever since the All Star Break, he's looked great but it seemed pretty obvious to me that Dragic is just slightly better than Lin. Their games are fairly similar as well which would be the concern of offering this guy a max contract. There could always be the potential that Dragic turns into Lin 2.0 when Kobe returns as well.

    As frustrating as it sounds, the Lakers did it right last summer and should continue to do so again this coming summer regarding Free Agency. Swing for the fences and offer max contracts to franchise level players, don't just offer max contracts to starter-tier, non all star players just because you can afford to. That's what was the Knick's formula for the past 30 years and look how well they are doing.
     
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  2. Savory Griddles

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    Yeah. Dragic vs Lin is a lot closer than we as fans and the media want to admit. If Dragic is worth paying 20 million to, then Lin's worth like 13 or 14. Who here would s*** a chicken if we offered Lin 14 million this offseason? Fairly certain the answer would be EVERYONE. Dragic is not worth 20 million. He's not worth 15 IMO. There are tons of pgs out there in this league. Supply and demand. Lin at 4/30 is a far, far better deal than Dragic at even 4/60.
     
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    s***ting a chicken does not sound fun...... But agreed, Dragic is not worth the max, I would offer him 14. Someone is going to over pay for him though, just hope it's not us.
     
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    Would you consider having Lin back on a smaller deal?
     
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    Dragic last night: 21/6/4 with 3 steals and a block. 6/10 from the field and 8/8 from the line in 36:11 minutes.
    Lin last night: 12/9/2 with 4 steals and no blocks. 5/12 from the field and 1/2 from the line in 29:02 minutes.

    Dragic's average in Miami: 15.9/4.9/3.3 with 1.6 steals and 0.1 blocks. 51.4% from the field and 35.3% from deep. (7 game sample)
    Lin's averages over the last 7 games: 17.3/7.8/4.8 with 2.3 steals and 0.3 blocks.

    Dragic's 2015 average: 16.2/4.2/3.5 with 1 steal and 0.2 blocks in 33.3 minutes.
    Lin's 2015 average: 11.1/4.7/2.5 with 1.4 steals and 0.4 blocks in 25.8 minutes.

    I think it's easy to say Lin is closer, but he's nowhere near as consistent. I think all this really does is prove Dragic isn't a max player, that's all. I want no part of Lin next season. I'd rather look in another direction.
     
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    wow...some serious overstatement here. it's not even remotely close between the two, imo. i can't think of a single thing that lin is actually better at when compared with dragic.

    lin will be had for mle, and dragic will get something in the 14 per range, and both will be justified.
     
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  7. Savory Griddles

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    I'm not saying that Lin is as good. I'm saying the difference between the two is far smaller than what their contracts this offseason will suggest. Obviously Dragic is the superior player. But he's going to get the max. He will not be had for 14. Lin will receive the MLE or a million or so more. Lin's contract will be far closer to what he's actually worth to the team. My point is Dragic will cost the same amount as Lin, Greg Monroe, and our Houston pick combined.
     
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  8. Savory Griddles

    Savory Griddles Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes. I think a stable of Kobe, Lin, Clarkson and either Russell or Mundiay would be a very solid guard rotation. Young can chip in a bit as well. The key will be making sure Lin and Kobe don't share a lot of time together. But that's only a problem for one season.
     
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    MIAMI >> He sounded at peace, a backdrop that contrasted with the stress he experienced last month before the Phoenix Suns traded Goran Dragic in a three-way trade to the Miami Heat.

    Dragic basked in handing the Lakers a 100-94 loss to the Miami Heat on Wednesday at American Airlines Arena. He posted 21 points on 6-of-10 shooting and six assists. Dragic sank a 25-foot 3-pointer to give Miami a 90-88 lead with 3:30 remaining. Dragic also revealed afterward he likes “everything” about the Heat.

    “I’m really comfortable. I feel great,” Dragic said. “Miami is a nice city. People are nice. The system is good. I like coach. I have all good words for them.”

    Those might sound like bad words to the Lakers. Dragic said earlier this year, including in an interview with Los Angeles Newspaper Group, that he would opt out of his $7.5 million player option to become an unrestricted free agent. He listed the Lakers among his many options he would consider.

    Since then, Dragic has somewhat changed his tune.

    “The main thing for me is to find a home here, know the plays and know my teammates,” Dragic told L.A. Newspaper Group. “My wish is to stay here.”

    The Heat can sign Dragic a five-year deal worth up to $100 million, while other teams can offer up to a four-year deal worth $80 million. Yet, Dragic did not close the door on taking a paycut, perhaps mindful that Miami (27-33) has the seventh seed in the Eastern Conference and will not have Chris Bosh for the remainder of the season because of blood clots.

    That explains why Dragic considers “everybody” an option when he becomes an unrestricted free agent in July, including the Lakers.

    “They’re a great organization and have a history of winning,” Dragic said about the Lakers (16-44). “Right now they’re not having a good season. But that could change anytime.”

    Dragic laughed when a reporter suggested he could change the Lakers’ fortunes. After all, Lakers coach Byron Scott ranked Dragic as one of the NBA’s 10 best point guards because of his driving, mid-range game and speed.

    “It can happen,” Dragic said. “But I’m really happy here right now. We’ll see how those things go from here.”

    http://www.dailynews.com/sports/201...still-considering-lakers-as-free-agent-option
     
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    I have a problem though with those who look at Dragic averages this year because of the 3 guard heavy lineup the Suns would use. And don't tell me to look at his avg just yet for when he's played with the heat. It takes time to adjust to a new team. Yes last night Dragic and Lin might have been close performance wise but please don't say over the course of there careers they have been close. They haven't and Dragic is clearly the better overall PG by a mile
     
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    I agree with this analysis. He might not even get the full max according to the article I just linked with Miami...he might settle for 14 million over the course of 5 years or something along that figure with Miami; he's in a good situation. I think it will take the max to get him out of Miami, though. Either way, to add to you point, he's getting adjusted to his new team and still averaging 2.2 assists more per game with Miami than he did with Phoenix. He's the primary ball-handler in Miami, and he's fairing well so far even if it's just a small sample size.
     
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    Edit; posted info in wrong thread.
     
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    Dragic is definitely better than Lin, but I don't have a problem with those numbers because playing with Kobe will be just as hard for Dragic to get used to. He struggled in Phoenix since other PGs controlled the ball. He will struggle here with Kobe controlling the ball...unless Kobe drastically changes his playing style.
     
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    i still think kobe will gladly adjust his playing style...as soon as someone worth giving the ball to arrives. lin is not that guy.
     
    abeer3, Mar 6, 2015
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    I feel like that too, but I'm also not that worried about it. I'm basically looking past Kobe already. As long as we get a PG we can work with, that's all I'm worried about at this point.
     
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    I just can't agree with this. I think Kobe will say he will relinquish the reigns, but the SECOND something goes wrong he will take them back and not let go. Kobe is Kobe. To think he has the ability to change his entire outlook and style in his 20th and final season is kind of silly.
     
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    Does anyone think Boston may make I. Thomas available this offseason? Maybe we can pull some sort of trade for him?
     
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    I completely disagree. He has spent the last 3-4 months of his healthy career changing his style of play from Jordan to Magic to Jordan to Paul Pierce to Oscar Robertson.

    He just wants to win.
     
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  19. JSM

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    @Savory Griddles His price would've been lower with the Suns. Now he's back to putting up numbers that he put up his last year in Sac Town.
     
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  20. Savory Griddles

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    But with all of those changes, he was still the dominant ball handler on the floor. I am harder than Kobe than most on this board. Kobe is all about winning, but he is about winning HIS way. I honestly don't think it's enough to win. He want to win while being the center of attention. I am very thankful for everything that Kobe brought us, but the thing that made Kobe so great is the thing that will prevent him from going out gracefully.
     
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