2015 Nba Draft Discussion: Russell, Nance Jr., Brown

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  1. LaVarBallsDad

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    Brandon Roy with good knees.
     
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    LaVarBallsDad - Lakers Legend -

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    So, since 2001, the team in the pre-lottery position of 4th has fallen out of the top 5 a total of 3 times; 2001, 2010, 2011. Not bad odds...:)
     
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    But we can have better odds with my "random fans win a 10-Day Contract with the Lakers" plan.
     
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    I still firmly believe we'll end up 3rd. Minnesota is a much better team than we are.
     
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    I agree. They are much better than their record indicates. Rubio was out. Pekovic was out...I think the Lakers end up 3rd as well unless clarkson keeps cranking out games like tonight haha Im REALLY hoping the lakers can get a top 2 pick and draft okafor or towns. One of those guys next to randle would be super fun to watch.
     
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    So if we are bottom five we are looking at Mudiay, Russell, Towns and JOkafor...I am not a big NCAA fan...Who else is worth looking at? It close to playoffs now, right?
     
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    ^So far most people are saying its Okafor, Towns, Johnson, Russell and Mudiay.

    After Okafor, its a toss up.
     
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    I believe Minny is better than us, no question. But the way I look at it, that two game spread is actually a 4 game spread due to the two Sixers games we have left where Philly management may go out of their way to throw those games. I mean, losing those games not only solidifies their draft position, but possibly gives them better odds to get our pick this year. So the question is, can Minny make up a 4 game spread plus the random 3-4 games we will likely win at some point in the season down the stretch? I see our win total as 20-21. That means Minny will have to go 9-17 or 10-16 the rest of the way. It's possible, but I'm not sure I'd put it at likely yet. We have two games left against them which will be CRITICAL.

    Granted, that all changes if the Philly players revolt due to the way their management is handling all of them. Fortunately, with the way they screwed them with the cap distribution thing, none of them will pretend to have an injury if management asks. The'd probably blow the whistle on them and tell the first reporter they see about what was asked of them.
     
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    I kind of like Russell for this team a bit better. Randle is a "big" and I think we need a small. The good thing about Russell is he is a bit of a combo guard. RandleROY said he's like Brandon Roy. Golden State is having a lot of success because a lot of their guys are interchangeable. A backcourt of Clarkson and Russell going forward where either one of them can take the ball up the court is very intriguing.
     
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    ^ I'm in favor of getting the best player and then figuring it out how to make it work. With quality bigs being as scarce as they are, I will pick a big over a small any draft if there's not a drop off in talent, but when the bigs are better than the guards it's no contest.
     
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    I'm with JSM. I am still low on Russell compared to most, but I get it more now than I did before. That being said the first two names off the board should be Okafor and Towns probably in that order.

    My board hasn't changed a lot:
    1. Okafor
    2. Towns
    3. Mudiay
    4. Johnson
    5. Russell
     
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    Completely agree with you. I was watching the Ohio State game last week; Russell had a thigh injury he suffered in practice and it limited is movement during the game to an extent; so, he wasn't moving as fluidly as he would have liked. Yet, he still impacted the game, and at one point scored 8 straight points, but they couldn't pull it off at the end.

    There was a sequence though that was interesting; Russell was all alone on an island near the rim, and a Power Forward was driving toward the hoop and Russell blocked his shot, grabbed the rebound, then on the other end pulled up and hit a 3. I could go on and on about his game. Now, addressing your point, Russell has much more natural tendencies as PG than Clarkson; NBA level court awareness, great vision, makes passes and he gets a lot of 'hockey assists,' because he makes a ready of an initial play, makes the correct pass that leads to a basket. I heard on CBS from the broadcaster while interviewing that Russell said, 'he wants to be the smartest guy on the basketball floor.' I'm so sure of Russell and his ability. He needs the right situation, like every other draft pick.

    Russell/Clarkson would blend in beautifully. Clarkson is a scorer learning how to facilitate, operate in pick in rolls, make the right reads, and he's developing quite nicely. Russell does though things innately at a very high level, but he could score, too. The problem with Russell at times is he's too unselfish and doesn't assert his will often enough thus Ohio State falls behind a lot; Clarkson doesn't have that problem. He's always aggressive and in attack mode. Both could play off-ball, handle the ball, move off screens, cut, slash, penetrate, I've seen Russell make plays while posting up...defensively, they both could switch at anytime, they both have length, Clarkson is a quicker laterally, but Russell isn't that bad off-ball defensively; on ball, he's quick enough to funnel into help-side defense. It's intriguing to think about...
     
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    The way I see it, it's a perimeter league. If we truly believe in Randle, he is our inside scoring presence. Grab a guy like Robin Lopez or someone of that ilk to be your center. Use match up problems created by our interchangeable guards to create offense. I see it working well. I worry a little bit with, let's say Randle and Towns, that we won't have anyone to get them the ball and keep teams from collapsing inside. Clarkson is playing great right now, but it's still too early to tell if he is a long term solution at one of the guard spots.

    All that being said, if we got the #1 pick, I'd probably take Okafor. My above theory is based on all the pieces coming together perfectly. That rarely happens in the NBA, so Okafor is a much safer bet.
     
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    If you have an All-Star guard next to Clarkson and or Wing, he could start. Think of it this way...Chris and Blake are two All-Stars at their position and start Reddick at the 2. We need 2-All Stars in the lineup, and he'll be fine, IMO.
     
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    I agree. And in theory, I like the idea of a Clarkson (granted he continues to develop) and Russell with Randle in the frontcourt better than Randle and Okafor. But if you hold a gun to my head and I have the #1 pick, I take Okafor because he's a polished scoring big man that will work well with Randle's likely slashing, brute game. Fortunately, as long as we keep the pick, I'll be happy with any one of 4 guys (Russell, Towns, Okafor, Mudinay).
     
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    I agree it's a perimeter league, but that doesn't mean a team who's two best players are bigs cant work -- see Memphis. Requires good coaching, pacing, spacing, defense, and a qualified PG. I'm not sure which of those Scott is qualified for and we don't have the PG yet (we're at least looking though). But say you draft Okafor/Towns and sign Dragic/Rondo, I think between him and Kobe they can get the ball in the right spots for both bigs.

    Also my concern with drafting a guard is Kobe. We draft a big, he gets thrown into the fire right away. We draft a guard and his development of on the court experience will be limited by Kobe. And Kobe keeps saying he's not sure he will retire after this year (probably to avoid the farewell tour) but if he doesn't retire, then that will continue to limit the kid. If they share minutes on the court, Kobe's still going to be drastically cutting into the amount of possessions he gets to have the ball in his hands, creating. Bigs can develop other aspects of their game at an easier rate when you're still dealing with a ball dominant guard.
     
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    Honestly at this point I don't care about Kobe. Even in the context of how he might stunt my player's growth, I just draft the best kid available and worry about the rest later.

    If we end up with Russell or Mudiay, I let those kids start on the bench and earn their way up if I have to. Even further than that, if we draft Mudiay or Russell AND sign Wes Matthews or maybe even Jimmy Butler... I'd still do it. Load up with talent, then worry about the Kobe Effect later.
     
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    We're not worried about Kobe. Mitch has said has much. We're past him. We're rebuilding. Although I think Mitch has his marching orders to field a team that will contend for the PO's next year and be more attractive to FA's moving forward in 2016...
     
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    Yeah. I get that. I also said that with a gun held to my head, I still draft Okafor. I'm just sort of day dreaming about how cool it would be to have two 6'5" combo guards wheeling and dealing together with Randle bulldozing. It's more of a style thing that I would like. At the end of the day, I still take Okafor if we have the number one pick.
     

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