Star Wars Thread (a Galaxy Far Far Away) Obi-Wan Movie In The Works! (36)

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Yeah. What do we do after Empire...other than try to rescue Han, figure out how Vader is Luke's Dad, finish training with Yoda, and put an end to the Empire. I mean, other than that, we had zero to go on.

 

Spoiler: Kylo theory

So the big question I have now is: how do you finish his story? If we keep going along the lines the movie has made for him, what's the next step? Is Kylo suddenly a leader now? He's leading with thuggish, brute force and I don't think that's something you can rely on to run an organization of this magnitude. You need to have a more level head than he has.

I think the natural progression is Kylo upsets the order of the First Order (pun). I think he ends up pushing most people out because he's so despotic and he ends up dying alone against the world.

 

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Except you already know all of that because we've been there. What do we have to do in 9? Where does Kylo go? Where does the Resistance go? I can go almost shot for shot with you. Figure out how to recruit for the Resistance. Figure out if Rey's parents really were nobody (I'll bet JJ changes that back). Finish training with Luke. Put an end to the First Order. I mean other than that, where do they go?

 

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I think we are going to have a time gap between 8 and 9, it seems almost required. The resistance is like 30 people now, they are decimated, they have to build back up. Also, Rey has the ancient Jedi books, maybe she finds new force users to help. I could see like a 3–5 year time jump (I think ESB ro ROTJ was like 2 years or so?), some time is needed at least.

As far as Kylo, is it established that the Jedi pupils he took with him became the Knights of Ren? Seemed heavily implied to me. Where are they? They could come back into play, they could be right at his side the next movie as he rules over the First Order. It’s possibe that scene we saw of what we assume is them in Rey’s force vision in TFA is still of the future. I regardless I think TLJ is the most open ended finish of all the SW movies aside from ROTJ, they can pretty much go anywhere with this.

 

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Yeah that makes the most sense to me too. So for me, let's say we jump forward 5 years. In that time frame the Resistance is still struggling, but they've gained supporters due to Luke's sacrifice. Hopefully they give some actual reason why nobody responded to Leia's call for help. Rey has spent time studying those texts and has built more of a relationship with Luke as a Force ghost. I actually like the idea of Luke as a Force ghost visiting both Rey and Kylo. Helping one and haunting the other.

And for Kylo he's now the biggest, baddest man in the universe, but he still doesn't know what to do with it. Just because he usurped this role, doesn't mean he's prepared for it. He's not a grand strategist. He doesn't know what he wants with this power set so now he's bogged down in the struggle to keep everyone under his thumb. He's stuck trying to figure out how to be a leader instead of just being one which leaves him as confused as ever.

The Resistance has won a few victories and they're starting to chip away at the First Order's dominance. I think the story should revolve around Finn/Leia/Poe destroying the First Order infrastructure, cut out their money supply somehow (mines? I don't know). Meanwhile Rey is studying, trying to become a Jedi so that she can figure out what it takes to stop Kylo.

 

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Nah it's JJ.

There will be a huge light and Luke and several Ewoks will walk out of it and Luke will hold out his hand. Kylo will slowly approach Luke and grab it, tears running down his face. It will play the music from Lost using Ewok bongo drums and bantha farts and they will all hold hands and walk into the light together.

*end credits*

 

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It should have and probably was going to be largely about Leia doing that, but they’ve said they won’t recast sadly, so I think she’ll die offscreen in the time gap. I still want a recast because the character deserves it, Kylo needs that last one person hanging around making him doubt himself, as his mother was the only person he couldn’t bring himself to kill. Had they not killed Holdo I’d have been good with her taking over for Leia in 9, but she’s gone. I guess Poe could be the new leader, but he’d have some major growing up to do and stop getting people recklessly killed.

As for force ghost Luke, I really want to see that, and we better get it. Maybe THAT can be the return to the Luke that Hamill wants and he gets to go out on a much happier note. I still love his final line so damn much, that sly “see you around, kid” knowing he’s won this round, and a callback to Kylo’s father as well, good ol’ Han Solo.

 

Some small part of me would absolutely love this.

 

I laughed hard at this. HARD.

 

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If we don't get a ghost Luke, I think it's an opportunity greatly squandered. Not only because Force ghosts are cool, but because Luke definitely could use lightening up in his finale. I'd like to see a bit of an impish Luke. I mean honestly I'd love to see Yoda again, but that wouldn't make any sense at all to Rey, so Luke would have to do. You could bring him back and he can be that same optimistic character, snapped out of his doldrums having accomplished something grander than any Jedi we've seen thus far.

I too wish Carrie had made it through... missing the conclusion to her and Kylo is a massive blow to the fan base. What you could do is never show her and have her die early on in the movie using a voice actor maybe. You could use a holoprojector or something so she gets her final moment that way, but she sacrifices herself in order to deliver a massive blow to the First Order. Let's say they have a mining facility that is a primary source of funding. The Resistance goes to destroy it. Leia finds herself in a position to sacrifice herself by putting herself in front of Kylo. Kylo destroys her, ultimately embracing everything about his character, but he hesitates first and she still does what needs to be done and the FO is crippled. I think there's a way in there to give her a massive send-off, but maybe it's better to do it off-screen so it doesn't become a distraction? I don't know.

 

Yeah, I do not envy Disney, Kathleen Kennedy, JJ, and the story group with that one. They had to hold a meeting like pretty soon after Carrie’s death to address it, major blow, still stings.

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I don’t think we’ll see Yoda again, but I sure wouldn’t mind it. Yoda didn’t mean anything to Luke before they met either, but that still worked. Force ghost Luke AND Yoda chatting it up with Rey? Heck yeah. I still selfishly want force ghost Anakin, Luke asking him why he gets to look all young. Not sure the movie would work with that sort of humor, but I enjoy the idea in my head (I know we’d never see this, I’m mostly joking).

 

I can’t read all these posts lol. It’s just too much, so I’ll just give a few of my thoughts.

Overall I give this movie a 6/10

Spoiler: Spoilery McSpoilers

1. What happened to there are always two?
2. The scene wher Leia flew back through space was terrible IMO.
3. The first half of the movie was boring as hell to me. I had just watched Ep 7 before this, which was almost perfect to me, so Ep 8 stood out like a sore thumb to me as poorly paced and written.
4. I was happy with the way they handled Luke showing up in that cave. I was about to be really mad when he all of a sudden just walks in, and surviving all those laser blasts. It was a good solution/explanation for me and made me feel a lot better about the movie.
5. The thing with Rose and Fin felt like cop out to not have him with Rey. There wasn’t much chemistry between him and Rose IMO, but he and Rey were great together and a much better love interest

That’s all.

 

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1.As in the Sith? Kylo and Snoke are not Sith. They don’t go by those rules, they are their own thing.

3.I can see that. Personally TFA is a little too quick constantly on the move, I don’t like how JJ changed lightspees travel to mean instantly get anywhere. The originals had more moments of stopping to breathe and I like that. ANH especially starts off and builds very slow, and I think that’s a major reason it holds up so well, character development. One thing I didn’t like about TFA is how quick anyone who meets becomes best friends. Finn and Poe, instant besties. Finn and Rey right after the Falcon chase on Jakku, practically in love. Was a little too much for me and remains annoying on repeated viewings. There is definitely stuff in the first half or TLJ that could have been cut or reduced though, the casino planet scene seems to almost universally thought of as meh, myself included in that.

5.Agreed. I liked Rose just fine, but her and Finn’s arc wasn’t great, felt like Finn needed to have something to do so that’s what he got. I don’t buy their relationship or her “love”. I guess it’s more of a celeb crush lol? Am I remembering this right or was there not a part at the end where Finn is sitting with injured Rose and Rey is sitting across from them and kind of looks over maybe a little jealous? Like I doubt we get Finn and Rey now, but she seemed to have a look of what she’s missing out on, being so alone and such. I also thought (AFTER the initial sort of silliness or Finn and Rey meeting) in TFA that they were great together. I hope the possibility of them together isn’t closed off completely, Rey doesn’t have to be like the Jedi or the past with no relationships, she could break away from that. We don’t know that Finn returns Rose’s feelings or where she even goes from here.

 

I greatly recommend a second watch. This movie grows on you (unless your name is @Savory Griddles ).

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1. They're not Sith! They're Dark Force users, but they're not Sith. That was just the Sith code. Not to mention, even if the Rule of Two existed still, its prophecy was already realized since the Jedi were basically wiped out of existence.
2. Yes! Conceptually okay, but execution was awful.
3. Episode 7 was a runaway train of action. This one was much more subdued, but I think it works really well.
4. Agreed!
5. I honestly didn't care for Rose much at all. It's not her fault, I just found her totally boring and her dialogue was AWFUL. Truly terrible. I think Finn/Rey might still be a thing, but obviously this Asian girl is pretty into Finn when she loves him somehow after about 19 hours.

 

No true. It grows on me like a parasite grows inside someone's stomach, slowly sucking the life out of them.

 

I thought this was a good read, and something I hadn’t even thought deeply on at all, the significance of books in the SW universe

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https://www.inverse.com/article/395...agram&utm_medium=inverse&utm_campaign=organic

 

Yeah this is sort of a big deal. I hadn't thought about it this thoroughly before, but it is definitely the first time we see proof that books even exist! That was a pretty interesting read.

Also in the Rebels show they referenced using the bathroom for the first time ever in Star Wars. There was a legitimate question whether or not beings in this universe had thought up maybe some kind of device or something that kept them from using the restroom constantly since there's never a mention of restrooms in 40 years.

 

Saw it last night. Initial reaction for me is very mixed. I really don't like the story line. Especially what they did with Luke. But I really enjoyed the movie from a pure entertainment perspective. Some elements of the movie I loved and some I hated. I'll see it again and post some more thoughts.

 

I will say that apparently while watching the movie Savory and I were Force-linked.