Lakers Plan To Explore Dragic Trade Or Offer Him $20m Per Year In Off-season

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  1. LakersN4

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    Forget defensive metrics, just watch the guy play. His feet are glued to the floor on defense. Guards contest more shots than Monroe does. He's a lot like Pau on defense, sometimes makes a good play because he's smart with his footwork & positioning, but gets beat on a regular basis & just gives up to go for the rebound. He has quick hands & gets some sneaky steals. I'd be willing to accept his shortcomings on defense if we had a stud rim protector next to him, but that isn't the case. & it pretty much has to be a PF, because Monroe is much more effective on offense at C than he is at PF. Basically Taj or Ibaka.
     
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  2. JSM

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    ^ their max is between 14-16. We have just over 20m. there's not a chance in hell at getting two of them, especially with the incoming cap jump. A 2nd tier will get 1st tier money from us, it's just how it's going to be.

    Not just Okafor/Towns + Randle, but one second tier FA (or 2 3rd tier) + Kobe's farewell tour.
    FA (whatever $8m buys you)
    Kobe/Young
    FA (Matthews)
    Randle
    Okafor

    That should be 10-11 in the West.
     
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  3. LaVarBallsDad

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    LaVarBallsDad, Feb 19, 2015
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    Yeah, I don't watch them play. I just look at the metrics. :)
     
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    Did you just say the Clippers are maybe "THE" most popular destination in the league? Guess it could be true but would not be my first gut response if asked the question. They are coming up on deep do doo times with cap problems now that DeAndre Jordan needs to be paid too and will want big bucks, and they're going to get bounced yet again in the early rounds of the playoffs. I think they've already peaked as opposed to being on the "rise" and have a bat bleep crazy owner. Good news at least not a raging biggot. Amare just chose Dallas over them. Let's see what Ray Allen does as Doc wants him bad. So of course do the Cavs and Atlanta, maybe other teams for the playoffs.
     
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    lol, magic trolling the lakers.

    I'm sure he'd have the lakers give up their own pick this year to trump the offer, then crap all over them when dragic turns out to be not worth the max and that pick yields a star for phx.

    I don't disagree with him, though: big move for Miami.
     
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    If you looks at stats, hes one of the worst defenders in the front court in the entire nba...That being said, hes very gifted offensively
     
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    ElginTheGreat, Feb 20, 2015
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    If we could split the 20 million between Matthews and other pieces, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Now that Portland has Afflalo I think they'll be less likely to push in extra cash on a guy like Matthews. If we end up with the #1 pick and get Okafor and Dragic takes the 5th year cash in Miami, I really hope we take a shot at Matthews. The guy is a baller, an ironman, and while he's not a game changer himself he's a great piece to have on a good team.

    The problem I'm seeing is that like you said, we're going to probably end up overpaying for a 2nd tier guy. I think people need to start preparing mentally for that. The Lakers want an impact player. They NEED an impact player. They need a guy who can go out and win a game by himself if he needs to. Guys that fit the bill: Gasol, Aldridge, Rondo, Dragic, DeAndre Jordan, maybe Monroe. There's some RFAs, but I sincerely doubt we look their way while these guys are on the board. Of those guys, Dragic, Monroe, and Rondo are the only ones that have shown interest here.

    I see us overpaying for one of them and nailing down that draft pick. It makes sense, it fuels the rebuild, and not everybody is going to like it. I still think it fits with the Lakers MO and I still think that's the direction they go rather than splitting their max slot on guys like Matthews and Robin Lopez.
     
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    Portland is going to max LMA. I think Wes is a legit target, but I think he gets paid and stays in Portland. Just a gut feeling. Robin Lopez is looking for an extension, too. They acquired Affalo to sure up their wing position obviously; however, Batum is having poor year. If anything, I could see Portland trying to dump Batum this summer who's on the books for next season $12,235,750 but is an expiring. Affalo is cheaper and gives Portland more room to sign those three guys I mentioned; Lopez, Matthews, LMA and give Affalo a cheaper deal than what Batum is making...

    I'd see how it plays out in Portland because Batum is a guy I would have my eye on...he's had some off court difficulty, but maybe with a change of scenery, he gets it right and starts playing up to his potential. Worth a shot since he's going to be on an expiring provided we strike out in Free Agency.
     
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    When it comes to overpaying, Rondo isn't just overpaying, Rondo is an albatross. He hasn't been the Rondo we knew and loved for 3 years now. And we no longer have the excuse that he was on a bad team leaving him unmotivated. He went to what would be a title contender had he stepped up and played at the same level he used to. I know anyone with half a brain can see that, but the unfortunate reality is Kobe still wields a lot of power, and I could see the Laker brass caving and signing Rondo because the average fan recognizes the name and probably still thinks he's an all star, and Kobe loves to have breakfast with him.

    I have bashed Dragic quite a bit in this thread, but I'd sign Dragic to 25 million a season before I'd sign Rondo to 15.
     
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    Ben Rosales @brosales12 · 2h2 hours ago
    If Bosh is out for the rest of the year and Wade continues to be in and out of the lineup, Dragic might question what he's staying with.
     
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    Batum is a tricky situation. I'm not sure anyone bails them out of that one. Maybe they could Batum onto the Sixers for one of their 4 picks this summer. Maybe Philly helps them out that way.

    I'd still keep a call on Wes. I'd call their agent and ask to have a shot at signing him before he inks any deals. The Lakers have plenty of money and if we can't get bigger fish than Wes, we'll break the bank to add guys like him.
     
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    Well I wouldn't say that. I'd take Rondo at 15 miillion, c'mon. The guy is a former champ, has all the accolades you could want, and you can't deny he's a gamer. I thought he was a poor fit for Dallas the whole way anyway. He's a ball dominant guard! About as ball dominant as could be, but you want him to now do... what in Dallas? (not you specifically I mean Cuban). I'm not excusing him because he's certainly not played great, but I just don't want to discount everything he did before and just say "oh he sucks now" because he's in a tight spot. I would certainly sign him for somewhere between 10-15 million if we had the chance.

    However, I think Kobe has for all intents and purposes lost all his bargaining power. He's proven his body can't be relied on and thus he can't be relied on. The Lakers can't make moves to appease a player that they don't know will be around all season. They need to think forward and I believe they're doing that. Dragic being one of their main trade targets right now speaks to that I think. They wouldn't be trying to trade for Dragic if they had their heart set on Rondo this summer, you know?

    Either way, I still see the Lakers overpaying a guy and if that guy is Dragic... I'm alright with that. That's really I was getting at yesterday. We're going to do it for somebody and Dragic isn't the worst option.
     
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    We can't sign Rondo. He's a health liability. I love Kobe, but he's a healthy risk. If that's your starting back-court next year, they won't play many games, IMO.
     
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    NOOOOOOOOO to Rondo!!!!!!!
     
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    I'd take Rondo at 15 pretty much in a heartbeat even in his current state over Dragic for 20 or more. Sorry. Not drinking the Dragic Kool-aid. Matthews is a guy I'd love to have here, especially if the price is decent and not outrageous. I've got some interest in Batum, given that he's got talent and he's a 3 and he's expiring.
     
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    That might actually be a good thing for Dragic as far as showcasing himself and putting up numbers before he hits the market.
     
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    So overpay for ball-handling guard who Kobe has shown no interest or public respect for? Guess what's going to happen when Kobe decides to control the ball only to let Dragic be a shooter? As bad as Rondo has been lately, that's less likely to happen if he comes here.

    If we're going to overpay for a player, why not Deandre Jordan or Roy Hibbert? At least they can rebound and block shots if they don't have the ball in their hands.
     
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    Rajon Rondo

    10-11 68 games played
    11-12 53 games played
    13-14 30 games played

    Steve Nash

    10-11 75 games played
    11-12 62 games played
    12-13 50 games played
    13-14 15 games played

    You sure?
     
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