Lakers Plan To Explore Dragic Trade Or Offer Him $20m Per Year In Off-season

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  1. LaVarBallsDad

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    According to Stein, Dragic wants a bigger market. NY and LA fot the will and both teams could offer max money. The difference, and I believe what gives us the edge to any trade or pursuit of him in FA is Nash, IMO. Dragic's mentor, and I hear they remain very close.

    Whoops just seen the Woj tweet. LOL. Wow. That's ok. Bit the end if the world. I doubt Dragic gives any assurance to those teams Woj listed. Any team that does get him though has his BIRD rights.
     
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    Soooooo much sense:clap: I'm not even sure that i would give up that Houston pick for him. Hill/Nash or get lost PHX.
     
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    It only makes sense if it is a 3way trade. If not i have no idea what they are doing.
     
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    Weezy said:
    You do not give up the top 5 protection on out pick. If they don't want to take Hill, whoever else and Houston's 1st, oh well, they get nothing and Dragic walks or they trade him elsewere. Phoenix already screwed us out of like 10 draft picks and 27 million dollars in the Nash deal, they don't get the one pick we deserve back for a pretty good player. It took a player like Ray Allen for the C bags to give up a top 5 pick, Dragic has never even been an all-star.


    I'm definitely in this camp. You know if Nash really has put down roots in L.A. and wants to stay close to basketball, he should really embrace the nicely paid mentoring role that Kareem performed for us when we had Bynum and any other bigs that wanted to listen. Same level of consummate skills as a point guard to teach any guards we have. Deep down he probably knows he owes us. And as realdeal has said over and over we have treated him with utmost respect building I would think incredible good will with him.

    Could Steve trojan horse (joke of course) Nash actually transform himself into an ace in the hole with Dragic and with other younger, needing to get better, but "high potential" guards that will be considering the Lakers?
     
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    Dragic is not worth the max. Hes gonna be 29 next year. Did we not learn anything about overpaying old pgs? Go for reggie jackson instead.
     
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    Why would we entertain trading for him? He might be enough to knock us out of that top 5 pick. If he's not enough to knock us out of that top 5 pick, then why would be thinking about offering him max money?
     
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    I will bet another month of only posting pictures that we don't give him the max. It's just a threat we are using to discourage other players (or lure NY into giving him the max like a bunch of chumps).

    But having his Bird Rights means being able to give him a 5/82 million dollar deal over another team's max offer of 4/80 million. See what I mean?

    Besides, if we lose Hill/some depth for Dragic that'll be enough to counter balance whatever help Dragic is. We're getting that pick almost no matter what at this point. LeBron couldn't stop us from being one of the worst teams in the NBA.
     
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    Trade for a stud and sit him for a "injury" he sustained in practice. That way you keep the pick and give the player a ton of money while saving cap space cause of bird rights
     
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    Yeah i agree. Dragic isn't that much of an impact player, plus losing someone like hill would balance it out
     
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    Was about to say the same thing. LBJ could not take this team out of the lottery. A superstar might move the needle from top 2 consideration to 5th, but we're awful. If we get Dragic or anyone at the deadline for that matter, it's not going to change the game plan going forward. We're still going to focus on developing that talent we have and evaluating the roster. If we get Dragic and keep Clarkson, it's not like we're going to play Dragic 40 minutes a game till the wheels fall off. Play him 25-28 minutes a night and Scott can start feeding him the playbook. It'd be a great chance to start learning them now, before camp and before pre-season when we have nothing to lose by him taking his time to learn something. Who knows, maybe it'd give him time to develop a relationship and chemistry with whoever stick to the roster (JC, Black, Young) and they have something to build upon this summer, instead of it being a starting point. Whatever move we make would be for the future and wouldn't have anything to do with this season.
     
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    In regards to lifting the trade protection...

    Fool me once....
     
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    phx wants to remove protection on the pick, I'd counter with: you get hill, the Houston pick, and up the protection to top 7. else I just call your other trade suitors and dragic's agent and tell them I've got my max offer ready for july. suckas.
     
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    So I've been using either the number 66.5 or 68 million for my projected cap value, but I think that's too much. Looking at some projections from Larry Coon the cap is only expected to go up to 62.5 million this summer. That changes things somewhat, but here's something to keep in mind for this potential trade: If the Lakers get Dragic's Bird Rights then they also get his Cap Hold for the summer. His Cap Hold is 11.25 million (per Pincus). Here's why that's important-

    Kobe, Dragic's Cap Hold, Nick Young, Julius Randle, Top 5 Rookie, Tarik Black, Big Bobby Sacre, Jordan Clarkson, min. Cap holds = roughly 53.85 million dollars.

    That means we'd have about 11 million dollars to spend on other FAs. Now since we have Goran's Bird Rights, it's my understanding we can use up that 11 million and THEN sign Dragic to his big contract. Since we'd have his rights, we can exceed the Cap to keep him. Now even assuming we then give him a max contract worth roughly 5/100 million dollars here's what our projected cap would look like in 2016 (the Durant year)-

    Dragic, 11 million either in combination or as one player + raises, Young, Randle, Sophomore, Cap Hold on Clarkson, Cap Hold on Black, min. Cap holds ~ 49.3 million.

    The cap in 2016 is projected at 66 million dollars, but I believe it'll go up a bit. We'll have almost exactly enough to fit a max contract in. We might have to make a couple of minor moves to get there. And that's only IF we give Dragic the full max contract. If we don't give him the full max, we have plenty of space to add a Durant with no problem.

    What I'm getting at is that by finding a way to get Dragic now, we could have even more spending power this summer and be able to make a strong base for a great FA in 2016. If we used the extra 11 million after Dragic's cap hold to re-sign our solid bench players, we could go into the 2016 summer with this team:

    Dragic/Clarkson
    ______/Ellington
    ______/ Young
    Randle/Black
    Okafor/Davis

    And a max slot or more to boot. That to me looks like a roster ready to compete right away AND is built to last.
     
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    Goran Dragic w/out Eric Bledsoe in 2013-14 (38 games):
    22.1 PPG, 6.8 APG, .523 FG% & .464 3P%.
     
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    To be fair, lin had numbers like that for 25-35 games. Now look at em
     
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    Who blinks first?

    Phoenix is going to have to settle for a **** return because not many teams are going to gamble on Dragic staying. If WE are hearing that LA is a place he wants to go, I have to think places like Sacramento, Boston, and Houston are hearing it. No one wants to weaken their team and then see Dragic don our uniform.

    I still think the best offer can come from Miami, but we'll see. The Lakers are in a position of great strength right now in the Dragic sweepstakes.
     
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    What makes it even worse for some of these teams is his camp has come out and said he didn't want to play for them in the past day. So not only do they know he wants to leave this summer, but that he doesn't want to play for them. 1/2...maybe you can talk him into staying. 0/2...good luck. That's why Boston and Houston should move on to Lawson, Nelson, and Sessions.
     
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    Yeah I saw that too. For the Kings I suppose it's not that big of a deal. They'd lose a pick and Stauskas in their proposed deal, but they don't even like Stauskas and with Karl they're going to try to start winning now. For Boston.. it doesn't even make sense to go after Dragic. They've got their PG and Dragic doesn't need to fight with yet another PG on his team. For Houston, are they really going to give up that Pelicans pick AND Beverely for Dragic only to see him leave in the summer? I don't think so.

    Phoenix's best bet is Deng/Napier/1st from Miami if they can get it. I wonder if they pull that trigger. If they don't make a move soon they're going to lose him for nothing. Since we're apparently keeping Hill maybe we can bully them into Lin/Kelly/Hou 1st for Dragic. :rofl:
     
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    What I'm getting at is that by finding a way to get Dragic now, we could have even more spending power this summer and be able to make a strong base for a great FA in 2016. If we used the extra 11 million after Dragic's cap hold to re-sign our solid bench players, we could go into the 2016 summer with this team:
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    Excatly that is the point of it(and getting familiar with the roster), we would have 11mil to sign a starting SF and resign Davis and Ellington. And we could offer Dragic something like 5/85-88, to give him more guaranteed, but less per year.
     

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