President Trump

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  1. John3:16

    John3:16 Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm actually shocked at how many places are named after him. Grand Cyclops of the KKK.

    They should be renamed, but he has a D next to his name, so I doubt it happens, despite being used with taxpayer funds.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_named_after_Robert_Byrd

    More than 50 buildings built with funds from US taxpayers directed to West Virginia are named for either Byrd.[2] Several transportation projects named for Byrd have gained national notoriety, including the Robert C. Byrd Highway.[8] Also known as "Corridor H" of the Appalachian Development Highway System, the highway was dubbed "West Virginia's road to nowhere" in 2009 after it received a $9.5 million earmark in the $410 billion Omnibus Appropriations Act.[8] The highway received another $21 million from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.[8] Critics argued the traffic on the highway was too light and the cost too high for the project to continue construction until its proposed completion in 2035.[8] The State of West Virginia argued the highway was necessary as "an ideal evacuation route for Washington, about 100 miles away, in case of an emergency."[8]

     
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    The lack of outrage isn't because he has a D next to his name. It's because he recanted and apologized for his decades of bigotry and basically said, "I don't know what I was thinking".
     
  3. John3:16

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    I believe people can change, but to go from Grand Cyclops of the KKK to progressive crime fighter? I don't buy it. But I like you're forgiving nature.
     
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    Well he wasn't really progressive. It was more like KKK to moderate Democrat who tows the party line.

    But hey at the very least he put it out there in public and on the record that he was essentially a **** head in his younger years. That by default makes him better than the David Dukes and Richard Spencers of the world who continue to wear their bigotry on their sleeves with pride.
     
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    The problem though is a little deeper. I disagree with many on this board about certain things. I agree with many others. But I try to be respectful except with LTLaker's drooling over Kuzma. I just can't help but troll him over that. :D Our issue is we are fighting each other while the government continues to tighten the noose. The "fighting the good fight" as you call it seems to be happening in a way where the real culprits are just watching and snagging power bases as the fights shake out. It's the equivalent of some a-- hole whispering in your ear that some random guy just grabbed your girlfriend's boobs. You go over and fight the guy while the instigator steals your girlfriend. Our leaders don't give a flying f--- about the things in this thread or the other things we all sit here and squabble about. Right or wrong isn't the issue. Racism is nothing but a tool that our leaders try to manipulate. Same with LGBQT rights. It's just ways to divide us at which point they can swoop in and gain more control. I agree that horrible things happen and we need to say something, but the media and our elected officials stir up the pot to pit us against each other and against people that probably actually agree with each other, but have been made to believe are mortal enemies.

    Some knuckleheads in Virginia pop off and then it becomes Trump doesn't condemn it fast enough and then it becomes a "Trump supporters or Republicans who voted for Trump" are trying to protect the Confederate flag or whatever. No one is really "fighting the good fight." That's something we are telling ourselves to make us think that we have some modicum of control. We're actually just fighting "a fight" against an "enemy" that wasn't an enemy 5 seconds earlier, but is now evil incarnate because they got lumped into a "group." And now of course those people are pissed at the other side because they lumped them in there. Trump got a lot of votes because people who weren't racist or sexist got tired of people saying they were because they may have liked some of what Trump said about the economy or border security. He got a ton of "Fine! F you. I'll vote for him to spite you." votes.
     
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    ^^ No idea who Richard Spencer was. Just looked him up. Sounds like he'd be fun at parties. LOL
     
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    Agree. Silent Majority. You can wait for them to die or you can engage in discussion and share and receive ideas.

    I'm a follower of Frank Summerville KTVU on Facebook and highly recommend the rest of you follow him too. Just a great guy. A few days ago there was some discussion and a lady made a valid point, but she was pro-Trump and she just got destroyed by the Loud Left. Just shut her down instead of discussing or even trying to persuade her why she was wrong and here are some points to consider.

    I see people do this all the time and I'm like "do you want Trump to get elected? Because this is how you get Trump elected."
     
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    Yea but the thing is the election, as much as it was an indictment on Hillary Clinton (was suppose to be a layup), it really came down to just a few hundred thousand votes across a couple of counties in PA, MI, and Wisconsin. Trump won because he convinced the rust belt that he was going to bring back those manufacturing jobs, but as of now, there are no indications that's going to happen either because 1) automation is inevitable (and the jobs were never going to come back) and/or 2) the ghost of TPP is still around. Just because he signed some memo saying we're withdrawing from the agreement doesn't mean they aren't going to be reworded in way where we're still in by people in his own administration who he packed with Wall Street guys.

    Long story short, I don't think you're going to see as many "I'm voting for Trump to spite you" votes again in 2020. I actually think people are going to yearn for a sense of normalcy again. And this isn't even me making a case for a progressive candidate (as much as I want that). I'm talking about someone like even Mike Pence, who I disagree with on policy, but at least I know he has a base line of competency where i'm not waking up each morning wondering "ok, what's the damage report today" as I look at push notifications I get on my phone.
     
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    Normalcy is horrible. It means a Wall Street to regulators pipeline, it means endless war, it means an all powerful president, it means the press ignoring good presidential candidates, it means press shaming people out of existence for saying the wrong thing. I hope it gets burned to the ground.
     
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    Isn't that what's happening now?
     
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    I agree with this point big time. All I see is people shouting at eachother everywhere, I see so little actual discussion. You can't say anything remotely perceived as controversial or not going along with the majority or you get shouted down and called names and no discussion or learning takes place.

    Another example is like if you watch Fox News and then watch CNN you'd think these stations were broadcasting from alternate universes. I was watching Anderson Cooper earlier today and he had on 5 panelists, 3 of which who were basically a hive-mind, 1 who was sort of in the middle but still a Trump suporter, and one who was a hardcore Trump supporter. The hardcore supporter is someone named Paris Dennard. I don't know him, I don't know if he's an idiot, or a moron, or reasonable, or the same as these other screaming heads, but I didn't get a chance to find out on this show. Every time he started to talk he'd get out one sentence and then he was interrupted by the others saying stuff like "you can't seriously think believe ___" and other variations of that. He just had to continue to stop talking and sit there while he was bashed for not thinking exactly like the others or for not agreeing with their stances. At a certain point he was just silent with a look on his face like "why am I here?", and I was wondering the same thing, "why did they even bring him on if he doesn't get to talk?". He might have been an idiot if he talked, but I never really found out. I guess my point is we get nowhere by shouting down anyone that disagrees with us when we think we have the moral high ground.

    This article has a clip from the segment just after the segment I was talking about here, and you can see it continues to get more and more heated, and in the end I don't see that anything was accomplished. They really only sat around for an hour saying repeatedly that Trump is a racist and a liar, and from what I could tell, only had that Paris guy on so they had someone to yell at to push the conversation forward, or make it appear like they were actually having a conversation. Trump might very well be a racist and a liar, he appears to have those traits to me, but watching this you can almost feel your brains starting to leak out of your ears, I don't know how they do this daily, all day long, and people still eat it up.

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/symone-...erly-argue-whether-president-trump-is-racist/
     
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    Some, but not all.
     
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    Double post, my bad.
     
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    Yes. Not much has changed. But it's not what people voted for. People voted for a Washington shake up. It's just not the shake up Trump supporters envisioned. I've been saying it since this whole Trump business started. Trump is the wrong answer to the right question. You mention how much you want a "progressive" candidate, but what is that really? It seems to me the difference between progressive and conservative candidates is what they say when the camera is on, because all of them do the exact same crap. Even Trump is continuing to employ the same tactics and the same people. His only difference is he just can't keep his foot out of his mouth on Twitter...and he's generally a moron. The progressive socialist darling Bernie Sanders gets beat and then fully endorses Hillary and buys a third home. Our Green Icon Al Gore uses over 20 times more power at his home than the average American.

    You have these candidates getting us hung up on things like LGBTQ issues that effect 3-5% of the population. Should this issue be discussed? Sure. Racism is a problem. Should it be discussed? Yes. But it shouldn't be discussed in a way where everyone is racist if they voted a certain way or live in a certain area. We're at a point where the act of determining who is racist can become an exercise in racism. But they're used as a talking point to distract us from looking at the big picture which is the slow erosion of everyone's actual day to day freedoms by enacting more taxes, more power to silence free speech, etc.

    This is why I said I don't pay attention to it anymore. They are all going to do the same stuff they always have.
     
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    Lincoln Memorial got vandalized yesterday. That line in the sand got moved.
     
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    @Azndude2190 thank you for saying everything so i wouldnt have to
     
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    Our culture? Whose culture? The confederate south isn't my culture. Beauty? Lord this man loves to exaggerate.



    What?! Does Trump get all his "facts" or history from conspiracy sites?
     
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    I'm so sorry you guys...
     
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    Trump fired Bannon.
     
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    Probably to hire David Duke.
     
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