2019/20 Players' Transactions: Breaking News , Trades, Free Agents, And Rumors

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  1. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

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    The Suns have said they will not include Jackson in a Kyrie trade.
     
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    The Suns have made Jackson off limits like we've done with Ingram.
     
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    gotcha. I don't blame them.
     
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    Wow, Sessions must have had zero interest in coming back here if we couldn't sign him for this. If we had no interest in him, I wouldn't get that, solid vet PG for cheap.
     
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    I'd say there could be some lingering bad blood, but Mitch, Jimmay and the Clown are all gone now, so I can't imagine that was a factor.
     
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    This trade doesn't make too much sense to me. Basically:

    Cavs in: Bledsoe, Chandler, Dudley and Suns 1st
    Cavs out: Kyrie, Frye and Shump

    Suns in: Kyrie, Clarkson, Deng and Lakers 1st
    Suns out: Bledsoe, Chandler, Dudley and Suns 1st

    Lakers in: Warren, Frye and Shump
    Lakers out: Clarkson, Deng and Lakers 1st

    I think Frye and Shump are a better combo to take on than Clarkson and Deng - even when you include that 2019 mid 1st from us. It just adds unnecessary complication to that trade for basically a mid 1st going to Phoenix. They could probably dump warren or shump for the same assets from someone else without taking on Deng and Clarkson and be left with an expiring Frye.
     
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    That would be a miracle for la, not that we can keep warren after the season but hes actually an asset, hes pretty good mid range player
     
  8. Savory Griddles

    Savory Griddles Moderator Staff Member

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    The bigger problem with this deal is Shumpert will likely pick up that player option. Stretching Deng outright gives us more cap room than having Shumpert.

    Still, this is really complicated when Phoenix can just do Bledsoe, Bender and a pick for Kyrie and call it a day.
     
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    You dont see clarkson in there? Basically shump replaces jc $ and hes $2mill cheaper
     
  10. vasashi17

    vasashi17 LB's Resident Capologist

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    Sav & svtzr: I hear you guys and I guess I'm just as hellbent on creating 2 max spots as George and apparently Bron are in coming here. But allow me to keep reaching on this. Woj has said that the Cavs are looking for a win-now starting vet, a young starter on a rookie contract and a pick. The Clips just tried to pry Kyrie with DeAndre and Beverley and the Cavs again demanded that same criteria. It was also said via ESPN that the Cavs are looking more for a Carmelo Denver to NY type deal than the Jimmy Butler deal to Minny this summer. So young rookie contract deals is not all that they want, especially in Lebron's final season there. So my thinking is that the Suns provide their veteran players cause they obviously need to keep their young guys to remain young and then we provide the youth and additional picks as the 3rd team in hope of dumping Deng. Here is how the Melo to NY deal looked...which was also a 3 team deal.

    So without a 2018 pick, LA can't help the Suns acquire Kyrie. However, we can offer young starters on rookie contracts. I guess you would have to take out Clarkson and insert Randle. I think Kuz is the greatest thing since sliced bread, so I really don't have the heart to offer him up, but there's always Hart as yet another young asset on a rookie contract. Lastly, Suns gotta figure stuff out with Len....but maybe Zu who's cheaper and younger has appeal to them. So in amending this trade, we have the Cavs get Bledsoe, Chandler, Randle and the Suns own 2018 1st round pick or the Heats 2018 1st (via Dragic trade). The Suns get Kyrie, Deng, Zu or Hart, and future LA 1st (possibly 2019). LA gets Frye, Shump, Milsap (non-guaranted contract...who we possibly waive) and 2nd rounder either from the Cavs or Suns just for ish and giggles.

    The Cavs get a replacement for Kyrie (Bledsoe's only 2 years older), the get a win now vet in Chandler (recall the Cavs signed Bogut last season and then immediately got injured), they get Randle (who's on a rookie deal and can play in the starting lineup if the Cavs decide to go small), they get a pick via the Suns 2018 1st. Also they shave luxury taxes cause they will receive roughly 5M less then what is heading out.

    Suns get to retain all their young assets...swap out Bledsoe for Kyrie and gain replace the 1st rounder that they lost to the Cavs....of course they would have to take on Deng for those troubles, but this way they keep Jackson, as well as Bender. This also fits the motto that Woj stated earlier in the summer that the Suns will take on cap via salary dumps as long as young assets head back their way. Technically they will receive a 2017 1st rounder with Hart (who can make up for the Knight injury, since dude is a 4 year college player and much more mature than the average rookie). They also receive a future 1st rounder and possibly even a replacement for Len in Zu. That's not a bad haul for taking on Deng and even though they lose 10M towards their 2018 cap space (since Kyrie and Deng combined make 10M more than Bledsoe and Chandler for 2018/19, they also remove the headache of paying Len what he wants or can leverage him with a Zu acquisition.

    LA gets a stretch 4 in Frye and a vet defensive wing in Shump who also helps us get more Ws this season and kills that Boston/Philly pick. Also recall that the Cavs have had Shump in possible trade rumors and even if we bring in his contract, we can elect to stretch him if he opts in and hurts our 2018 FA shopping in any way. Stretching Shump vs Deng is 3.3 M over 3 years vs 7.4M over 5 years. Obviously the former option is much better for us. I know its a pretty expensive price to rid the contract of Deng with, but after the summer of 2018, I'm sure most of us won't care. Plus I'm not certain Randle was even part of our future plans anyways and we hold onto Clarkson to possibly move him at the deadline to restock our assets heading in to the summer of 2018.
     
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    could the deal be re-worked so that warren stays? dumping deng with a 1st is huge, no need to get greedy by nabbing a young player who's shown nba-level ability.
     
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    vasashi17 LB's Resident Capologist

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    Thx for kind words my man!

    It could be the #LonzoEffect, but I think its more the #MagicEffect. I've been a fan of his for a minute and I have so much faith that he's going to bring back the glory days. Me disliking Mitch/Jim is probably an even more worst kept secret than us wanting to #DumpDeng. So once they were out, I was right back in...cause this right here is much more of my Element.

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    And DAMN do Rob and Magic make it look sexy!

    Oh and as for the KB24 outing me on the Princess tip...its cause I was CL royalty and now your royal highness is back at LB. Not really interested in Princes cause the real one unfortunately passed last year and the other one isn't on my good side since 2004. Nah, instead go get me a kang! And if yall don't like it, its off with your heads....but I'll let you keep your Balls.
     
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    Everyone knows we'll be in the playoffs in 2019, so I'm just not sure a mid level first gets that done right now.

    If Deng plays a bit and builds his trade value. We could probably move him before the trade deadline for a first. Similar to Lou last year.
     
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    He was injured last year and didn't really play well last season.

    I'm not sure he was on the radar.
     
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    :Laugh: C'mon
     
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    Barnstable Supreme Fuzzler of Lakersball.com Staff Member

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    Maybe

    At least in this Twitter video, Deng's looking a little more energetic

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    I highly doubt it too haha. But in saying that it's probably our best case outcome... And a pipe dream! We'll probably have Kuzma bombing threes instead.
     
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    We need to dump both Clarkson AND Deng. Clarkson is never spoken about because we know he will be easy to move if need be. LBJ's cap number for a player at his age is enormous. Could we fit LBJ and PG-13 with Clarkson (or Shump) on the roster? Yes. But we'd have like 5 or 6 million left to fill out 5-6 roster spots, with one of those spots being a starting center (unless you think Zu will be ready to be a championship level center).

    Is it worth exploring? I guess. But I don't see why Cleveland and Phoenix would choose to complicate a deal (all deals are complicated as it is) by throwing 5-6 more players with giant contracts into the mix in order to help the Lakers..and really or no other reason than to help the Lakers.
     
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    LBJ needs to be thinking considerably less than his enormous cap number if he wants a roster that's deep enough to win.
     
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    Savory Griddles Moderator Staff Member

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    Wouldn't that be nice? Yes, ideally we would dump everyone but Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Nance, Hart, and Zu which would put us at about 24 million with minimum cap holds. Then LBJ would sit down with PG-13 and Boogie Cousins and they agree to take 25 each while Kang takes 27.

    Boogie/Zu
    LBJ/Nance
    Ingram/Kuz
    George/Hart
    Ball/Savory Griddles

    That would be awesome. But LBJ is about his brand, and even though he could make considerably more playing for the Lakers than with the Cavs in off the court endeavors, he's not going to sleep until he is the highest paid player in the game. The above lineup could probably give the Warriors a run for their money, especially when the second unit point guard slide tackles Steph at midcourt, but Kang isn't about sacrifice.
     
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