DRAFT TALK Thread: Looking Like Lonzo

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  1. sirronstuff

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    I love that you do this custom stat stuff, and it will cool to look at years from now to see how things play out. Projecting talent is an art and a skill.
     
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    I don't think that's unpopular. Monk would slide in there somewhere.

    Still, unless we're getting two lottery picks (one that's not this year's), then I wouldn't really be interested in moving down. Suns 2018 (unprotected) and #4 for #2... that's pretty tempting.
     
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    Except neither of those picks in this draft is going to have closest possible "type" of Magic Johnson "like" team orchestrating and leading skills that Lonzo gives us as a point guard, nor with being as tall as Ball .... that would be most valuable going forward. In many opinions.
     
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    If the Lakers think Ball isnt a game changer, you have to make that trade. You have a shot in getting back your 1st rounder next year and probably get Fox. If the Suns took one of the Tweedledee or Tweedledum's contracts, I would do that without hesitation.
     
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    I feel like Socrates speaking with Crito: Why should we care about the opinions of the many?

    Statistically speaking, they're probably wrong, at least in this case. I want to build the best team we can, and trading down is hostorically a fantastic way of increasing asset value. I trade down, add more picks, and see what I can get for them. We can be back to the playoffs in a year. What are the odds a rookie PG who isn't the consensus #1 pick makes us that much better any time soon?
     
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    No but they are assets we could package to trade for players that help us win.
     
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    I really do not want to trade Randle to move up to #1. Also do not want to move back a few spots unless we get an impact player or another guaranteed lottery pick.

    Just keep it simple, stay at #2, and happily pick Fultz or Ball.
     
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    Problem is the Lakers can't be removing from the young core to get a star that might be coming. Lakers need to build the team without losing their assets. They need firepower to beat the Warriors. The Warriors are going to have prime years for the next half decade.
     
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    I'd trade back, but I need the right package. I'm not going to do it just to pick up some 2nd round pick or something. I'll take my chances on Ball. If Phoenix is offering me two 1st round picks (both in the lottery), then sure I'll trade back. I don't think Fox is going to be very great, especially early, but I'll take a lottery pick next year and Fox.
     
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    If the Lakers aren't sold on Ball being a game changer but still think he has a substantially higher chance of being a game changer (and better fit) than Fox, then I do not think you make that trade.
     
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    But what's the evidence he has that higher chance?
     
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    There was a large increase in wins at UCLA this year over last with many of the same players there, I think definitely points to a greater "chance" of being the same type of factor for the Lakers? Playing the type of basketball Luke and Magic want to play?
     
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    trodgers falling on a grenade for the team at LB here going against the grain and being the ultimate devil's advocate for all reasons against picking Lonzo.

    :Headbang:


    Or entirely not the case .... he feels it in his bones. Dry mouth. No salivation whatsoever.

    [​IMG]
     
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    :SadPau2: ... looks bored. No fire. Don't like the body language.


    :Fishwink:
     
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    Good evidence Magic doesn't know how a team should play though; right? He knows one way to play, and when it worked, it worked. When it didn't, we sucked. I don't draft a 19 year old (consensus not #1) PG in order to make our team play a certain way. The only thing worse than that would be trading up to do it. Wait; something more asinine would be turning our backs on one of the best ever young PGs - who's on our roster at present - in order to do those things. No team should bank on a non#1 pick in order to set the tone for their franchise. In fact, teams drafting #1 should do it only if desperate.

    Greater chance that what?
    Do I believe Lonzo Ball accounted for a 16-game improvement at UCLA? No, not for a second.
    Do I believe he played an important part? Sure, but there are two other underclassmen leaving for the draft this year from that team. And their Strength of Schedule was 33% lower than last season; they've faced an easier schedule only once in the last 30 years of the program.
    Do I believe a 19 year-old PG with exceptional passing skills is worth more than lots of options we could get from other teams? No, not for a second.

    I'm thinking big picture here, not fitting a piece of unknown shape into a hole from a board game from the 1980s.
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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    If no one wants that 2018 pick and keep trading it to other teams, we can just take it back until other teams learn to grow up and appreciate what was given to them.
     
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