DRAFT TALK Thread: Looking Like Lonzo

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  1. ElginTheGreat

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    I think most of us expect Ball to be the pick. I also can see some of this being smoke.

    But not all of it.
     
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    If he had done poorly or was gassed and maybe felt nervous about how his workout went he sure didn't show it in the presser afterwards answering all the questions. Said it was fun. Something's not adding up. And Pops opening his yap again saying how the Lakers need him because they don't have a leader. Even blowhard LaVar ..... would he do that if Lonzo thought things had not gone well in the workout?
     
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    If We're doing something like this, I'd even let them keep 10.
     
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    Forgive me guys, haven't had the time to get on here lately. Can someone catch me up... what is the case for Lonzo's athletic potential to either project successfully or fail miserably?

    Frightfully worried that the NBA's jump in athleticism will limit Lonzo from fully using his passing and court vision, especially if that is his greatest skill right now.
     
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    With the draft getting closer and closer I'm actually getting that nervous feeling. With a pick as high as 2 we have so many options. If we don't truly think Ball is a game-changer and something like 2 for 5&10 is doable, that's something you have to consider because you can get a damn good player at 5 and possibly a steal at 10. The option also has to remain on the table to go after an established star with the pick, possibly Butler. It's gonna be a long week and a half.
     
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    I also personally think the pressure on the Lakers is too high to not select Ball.

    Everybody and their mother expected this to be happening. If they take a guy like Fox and Ball comes out guns blazing they will be creamed by the media. If Ball ends up being worse than Fox or Jackson or whoever they take, then they have the excuse of "everybody was wrong at that point".
     
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    ^^^ I would hope this front office is above selecting a player based on media or fan pressure/expectations. I would think they will do whatever they feel is best for the team, whether that's taking the best player available, trading it for multiple picks or an established star, I trust them. I know it was a different front office at the top level that selected Russell over Okafor when all the media said Okafor was our guy and all the fans wanted him, but a few guys from that front office remain (Joey, Jesse, Ryan West). I believe the Lakers made the right call with that pick and I think it at least appears they are doing all their homework right now for this one. Like working out Dennis Smith Jr as just pointed out, he's not supposed to go as high as 2, but you still have to look close at all these players.
     
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    ^there is also the option to trade down if they feel the gap between lets say Smith and Ball isn't big but a team infatuated with Ball might overpay to get him.

    There are too many variables. The Lakers might even trade the pick after selecting a certain player.
     
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    eh, i don't know: the media's playing both ends against the middle. they're saying the lakers need to take ball, but they're also saying he's not the best player available. at least that's how i read it.

    hard to say, overall, as the current media is largely driven by blogger-types (or former blogger types), and these folks tend to be fans of other teams, which means the lakers are public enemy #1. affects reporting, imo.
     
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    You know, #2 for #5 and #10 has always sounded good to me, but #2 and Deng for #5 would be...earth-shatteringly good.
     
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    f***ing Mitch Kupchak put us into this hole, just plain sabotaged our immediate future
     
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    As much as I want Ball at #2 if the Lakers trade the pick for #5 and #10 then I'm okay with that.

    I'm a fan of Dennis Smith Jr., he reminds me physically of CP3 but slightly taller and more explosive. His decision making needs to improve and I was concerned about reading that his bball IQ is lacking. One thing he can do is attack the rim. Last area of concern is his acl which he tore in high school.

    #10 pick maybe package that with Moz or Deng. Better yet I might use it in a deal to get PG13.
     
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    NBA draft isn't the NFL draft. Trading for multiple picks doesn't do anything. Until the NBA institutes a 3 year out of high school rule, 95% of the NBA will have no shot at winning an NBA title year in and year out. The reason being is a new player cant come in and help START winning when he is 19 years old. NBA needs seasoned talent like it used to have coming out of college. If they do not do that, they will continue have this problem. It's been a gradual decline and it's finally hit it's end.

    Also, the NBA has failed at making players stay on their current teams. All these stupid CBA rules and making it hard for teams to trade players has added to this issue. Players can not move around freely and it's made teams stagnant. Making a star stay on a team doesn't give them a better chance to win, it actually makes it harder because that team with a star can not GET other players to come either. That was the thinking of that midget scumbag David Stern and it's infected both everyone in the owners box and NBAPA.

    I have full confidence in Adam Silver though. I believe he is the best commissioner in sports and he will eventually figure out a solution.
     
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    Little lesson for my Laker fans in here in the arena of MEDIA and Reporting. I have done local radio and TV and even in those insignificant areas, the key to getting an audience is drawing them in anyway possible. When you read words like "reportedly" or "sources" before the stated info, you need to always be cautious of the manipulation of BS.

    My thing is, if the guy was out of shape, say he is. You are a reporter. If you are stating the truth, even if you aren't the first source, just say he was out of shape. Then again, by saying it whether it's true or not gets people talking, and that's the point. You also have morons who do not like a dad who is vocal like Lavar and they just want to hate anyone who is different.

    All the while, everytime I hear from a coach or a player who PLAYED with Lonzo, there is nothing but praise and respect for him. He does an interview and looks at people in the eyes and answers questions respectable. So, you tell me. Is listening to those who are around him or him hold more water than what some hack says on twitter with his "reportedly" BS?

    The kid wants to be a Laker BAD. When i hire someone to work with me, when they really want to work with me you know they will give an effort beyond what they would normally do. That has to mean something. Especially knowing the pressure being a Laker. I admire the kid and I'm looking forward to him being a Laker in 10 days.
     
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    Multiple first round picks are locked up until 22 at least. Totally worth reading down.
     
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    Wasn't the public on Okafor the dlo yr?
     
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    Nailed it. I think there's no good reason not to let criticism out about Ball, but those criticisms could also be fair. Personally I think the FO is doing a great job of keeping everyone on your toes and masking their intentions. That's a great way to keep the value up on your pick (and the player you want in the draft).
     
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    There is no real concern about his athleticism translating to the NBA. He's got good speed, a solid vertical, good quickness and agility. The only thing that is a concern physically to me is his strength. He's a very thin kid and he's going to get pushed around at times. To put it in perspective, he's not much bigger than Ingram and he's a lot more adverse to contact. He needs strength and conditioning in a big way to make the next jump. Lavar might train high school kids, but this is a next level jump and his son is clearly not there.
     
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    Can confirm. I was recently talking to a guy who used to be a mainstay on Around the Horn on ESPN (won't mention his name, but I'd guess everyone here knows who he is). They have someone telling them "conflict" in their earpiece when they are supposed to take the opposite viewpoint. So much of the conflict is manufactured. I also worked at a radio station where our main host was on cable news shows from time to time. It's all a sham. They go on knowing what they will be yelling at each other.
     
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