2019/20 Players' Transactions: Breaking News , Trades, Free Agents, And Rumors

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  1. LTLakerFan

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    He's already starting to look buff some up top in his shoe launch mktng video. He's going to be strong up top. Hopefully legs equally or more.
     
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    getting ready to duck rotten fruit on these next two points/ideas:

    1. lonzo ball is skinny. he has a skinny butt. yeah, i noticed. i think it's an issue in terms of nba success. the list of skinny butt success is very short: reggie miller. and...reggie miller? george gervin?

    flame away. where's realdeal's thick a** on this?

    2. entirely unrelated: clarkson/randle for derozan: who says no? derozan's clearly not a franchise guy, and toronto's facing paying lowry a ton of money to continue being a high-priced also-ran or just setting the whole thing on fire. i think derozan is a worthy second banana, and neither randle nor clarkson fits that bill long term.
     
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    I'd do that trade, but I don't see why Toronto would.
     
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    Need a 1st banna before getting a 2nd banana, i mean sure we not giving up alot but gota factor in the salary, Derozen with moz/deng $ can make it more difficult to get $ for george.
     
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    Re Lonzo and his skinny butt: Ingram comes to mind! I'd have to see him up close to know, but I think he can put weight on just like Ingram can. Not a lot maybe, but I wouldn't call it a major concern yet. Kareem was pretty thin too. Gervin actually had surprisingly thickish legs relative to his upper body. I think these young kids just never really lift weights most of the time. Let's see what he looks like in draft workout sessions. Given his speed in the open court, I think he's got enough athleticism to get by until he has to start working out.

    Re DeRozan: I'd actually count more on us signing Lowry. It seems to me Kyle has packed it in for Toronto. If we lose the pick or get it and trade it, I'd very much expect us to make a strong run at Lowry.
     
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    I'd prefer we go after Teague rather than Lowry, but I don't know if PG even wants Teague on his team anymore. I also doubt the FO would value Teague as much since Lowry is more of a name in the League.
     
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    ingram's skinny butt worries me, too. but he's 6'9" with crazy wingspan. there's a prototype for success with a build like that (kirilenko, for example). closest thing to ball that i've seen is shaun livingston, physically.

    regarding my derozan idea: it was assuming the lakers strike out in other ways (including george, whose price tag might be too rich this summer). but yes, it could create financial problems down the road. that's why i suggested clarkson/randle, as one is already making money and the other will be soon. if randle isn't moved, the lakers will be paying randle/clarkson more than they would be paying derozan in a year.

    i'd take teague over lowry right now--mostly because i think their asking price will be different. at the same money, i take lowry. wonder if toronto will play hardball with him? there's not a lot of teams that would look to spend big money on a pg this summer, and i'm sure folks will see if paul's willing to listen before moving on to those two.
     
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    I've been pretty public with my Teague support, but there's a bit of smoke here. Stein reported that Lowry's interest in switching conferences is real and could come to fruition after these playoffs. Lowry has a history of wanting to be a Laker. The Lakers are looking for a splash. They experimented with Russell off ball. Lots of dot connecting but I think there's some real smoke there.

    Lonzo and Ingram don't have awful frames. Skinny butt can be fixed. Squats, dead lifts, and lunges for three months and they might go from spaghetti to penne.
     
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    If we're not trading for pg13 or someone like him it would be a mistake to commit big $ on fa like lowry
     
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    No it wouldn't.
     
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    What good is signing a 30+ yr to 20+mill gona do without having that star player? Lowry not going to be much of difference maker unless the young guys have some sort of exponential growth
     
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    Having one Lowry is better than not having any Lowry.
     
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    Problem with getting Lowry now is it will cost too much for a guy who isn't really the 2 you need to win a title. Lakers need PG or Jimmy Butler at that price. 2 way players in their prime.
     
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    Paul George or Jimmy Butler cost tradable assets. Lowry only costs cash.
     
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    DO NOT WANT LOWRY
     
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    Lowry is a desperation move.

    I am against locking up the $ that we may need, even to extend JR, without going over the cap.

    Lowry is a move for the sake of a move.
     
  18. therealdeal

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    Alright this started off as me teasing khmrp, but I'll bite.

    1) We should be desperate. We've been out of the playoffs for 4 straight years and we've set records for our losses in three of those. We fired our President of Basketball Operations, our General Manager, three coaches since 2012, and now we're cleaning the back of house staff members as well. If that's not desperation, I don't know what is. Desperation isn't a bad word to me.

    2) Signing an All-Star is not desperation. Lowry is either in his prime or approaching the other end of it, but in the last three years he's been a legitimate All-Star in the league. Not only has he earned that spot, but he's improved every season since he made the All-Star team. He was on the All-NBA third team last year. He's averaging 22/7 with 1.5 steals per game while shooting over 40% from the three point line. If wanting a player like that is desperation, then by all means we should be so lucky. Sure he comes with injury concerns, but that leads me to the next point.

    3) Of f***ing COURSE he isn't the end game. Are you kidding me with that argument? Who the hell would think you sign Kyle Lowry and then throw your hands up and say you're done? Please. Obviously if you sign Lowry, the next step is finding his running mate. Of COURSE you sign Lowry and then turn around try to trade for George. Signing Lowry just means you can afford to give up slightly more than you were thinking before because guess what? You've got an All-Star on your team right now! Hell even if you don't get George, you trade a couple of young guys, you dump Deng and very suddenly you've got a roster that can fight for the 8th seed, wait for another FA in 2018 (let's call him George), and you've got 1-3 kids still left to build towards the future.

    4) How long are we all content to just pass up on great players because "the window doesn't fit" or "we don't want money tied up" or "he's not good enough". Would we pass on Hayward too in FA? He's proven to be just about as effective as Lowry. Let's not get Jeff Teague because he's 29 and hasn't done anything in the league. Let's pass on Ilyasova, Roberson, and Mills. They're all just average players and can't win us a championship and in the same breath let's all complain that our roster isn't talented enough and our kids aren't good enough to win. So what exactly is the plan then? Wait around and hope and pray the kids are good enough to win it all in 5 years and if not, start all over? Because that's where we're headed.
     
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    Clean house (BI, DAR, JR, JC, top 3 pick, Hou pick) to bring in PG and Butler while unloading Deng and maybe Moz. Sign Lowry and a few bench vets.

    Lowry
    Butler
    George
    Nance
    Zu
     
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    The point is that we need to sign some Free Agent with a recognizable name if for no other reason than to demonstrate that the Lakers are once again a desirable destination and a team on the rise. It's all about turning the momentum in the right direction. A Lowry signing would work for that purpose. Then a PG trade and we have some real momentum going the right direction.
     
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