Star Wars Thread (a Galaxy Far Far Away) Obi-Wan Movie In The Works! (36)

Good points. I just think the Jedi were overall a source of tremendous good. They made mistakes, but in the end, if not for them, billions would have died and there likely wouldn't be a Republic. Luke IS obviously training her as evident in the trailer. So I'm hoping he's in a bad place and Rey brings him back and they recreate the Jedi with some modifications.

 

It could be that "the Jedi must end" is either an edited quote (as in it could be "the Jedi as they were must end". I would agree completely with that statement.

In the old EU they went into pretty good detail about how the Jedi Council leading up to their collapse had really grown rigid in their ways. Their inability to express love, one of the greatest emotions we have, really lead them down a dark path themselves. They were made into soldiers and really lost sight of what they're supposed to stand for which is peace. Maybe what Luke is doing is just moving into a more enlightened form of living. You don't have to ignore negative emotions. In CW there's a padawan that loses her way because she gets lost in those emotions. It's one thing to accept the pain and then move forward (which many Jedi did), but the Council was unmovable. If you read the book "Dark Disciple" it gets really deep into how the Jedi Council lost their way in the end.

 

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Yeah that happened late in CW. He taught Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon learned but didn't complete his training. The ability to be a Force ghost long-term is supposedly a learning process. I'd be really interested in seeing them again. I'd also like to see them explore holocrons more.

 

IMO Luke is going to be looking beyond the teachings of the Jedi. In the trailer he says "it's so much bigger" when Rey is telling him about the force. We don't know if those lines follow eachother or not, but I do believe he's talking about having learned so much more than the stuff the Jedi stuck to. I do think this will be the end of the Jedi too, and I hope it is, it's time for something new beyond the rigid ways of the Jedi.

Plus, they've been prepping us for this for years and years. In the prequels they showed how the Jedi failed, they pointed out how Mace Windu's distrust of Anakin and wanting to take down the emperor and have too much power in the republic was wrong. They showed how the Jedi failed Anakin. Then in the Clone Wars they showed how the Jedi failed Ahsoka, how she lost faith in them and walked away and became a grey force user I guess it's called.

Then we know from TFA that Luke training new Jedi failed, yet again the Jedi way failed. I think it's clear Luke is looking to something bigger, some older teachings maybe more pure to the force, without the Jedi religion. At least that's what I hope. Good and evil aren't going anywhere, lightsaber battles are here to stay, but I do think it's time for the Jedi to end. They are not the way to protect the galaxy anymore IMO. I also assume he's been able to talk to obi-wan, Yoda, maybe Anakin for decades now, and that would also factor into his big decisions on where to go from where he's at. All that said, it's also possibly as simple as at the moment he says that line though, he's defeated and down since he's hiding, and he doesn't want any part of that life anymore, and Rey changes his mind.

 

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In regards to the Whills, in the beginning of the Force Awakens novelization (so a canon source) before the opening crawl they have an excerpt from the Journal of the Whills that reads:

First comes the day
Then comes the night
After the darkness
Shines through the light.
The difference, they say,
Is only made right
By the resolving of gray
Through refined Jedi sight.

-Journal of the Whills, 7:477

So take that for what you will. Sounds like that refined Jedi sight comes from a certain moisture farmer.

 

I got to read those books.

 

I didn't actually read the novelization. I was watching a Youtube video where they were breaking stuff down and that came up. I have read a few of the novels though since they introduced the new canon. But that little excerpt seemed VERY intentional and would make sense of a lot of things.

 

There's no way you include something like that without strong reasoning.

I've read Tarkin and Dark Disciple and they're both very good.

 

For sure. I think Disney is going to probably still use the term Jedi, but they will be completely different. Like you said earlier, the term "Jedi" is too valuable in marketing and brand recognition for Disney to completely abandon it in stories moving forward. I realize they can still go to the well in stand alones and KotOR films, but I can't imagine the dump the name for what is really their bread and butter: The Saga films.

 

I really hope so. The rise/fall/redemption of Revan could easily be turned into a trilogy. There are obviously some places where that story jumps the shark and would need to be reigned in a bit, but the story is great. I would also love to see the Bane story told, although I'm not sure if audiences are ready for a story that centers on a villain that is truly evil.

I also wonder now if all this talk about Luke ending the Jedi and wanting to go gray means he stumbled upon some of Revan's teachings. I would not be surprised at all to see Revan introduced in some form or fashion in Rebels this fall, then mentioned in passing with Luke's findings in Episode 8 so that they set up a character and plant the seeds in audiences minds that this guy exists. Then do an Old Republic trilogy in between episodes 9 and 10.

 

I am much more interested in the game if it has some sort of understandable plot.

I like the other stuff, but not enough to keep buying versions of the game.

 

They're saying it is a "canon" story. We'll see.

 

They said the same about the first game and I sat there wondering what part of it was canon?