Tank Tank Or Tank Tank Tank?

Discussion in 'Lakers Discussion' started by LaVarBallsDad, Jan 21, 2017.

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To Tank Or Not To Tank?

  1. Tank.

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  2. Don't tank.

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  3. Fine with either outcome.

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  1. Khmrp

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    Some other team could take the chance to trade for him and give him the chance to win as per his request
     
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    But in regards to our offer...I'm only giving Indy our top 3 pick if they take back deng....something like
    Rande, jc, deng, top 3
    For
    Pg and Al jefferson

    This I think would still leave us room to go after biff or even Hayward if we don't think Ingram is ready next yr
     
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    I saw some fight tonight!

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    I'm not so sure I want to give up on Clarkson quite yet. Turn him loose and let's see what he can do.
     
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    The NBA site shows, that we're still in the 3rd Q, leading by 1. There's still a chance for a W :rock:
     
  5. John3:16

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    They're keeping our scores until we start tanking.
     
  6. LTLakerFan

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    Zu looked pissed once too after getting knocked down. Like Bynum after Shaq did him. Needs to develop Marc's chippiness quickly. But this 1st:

    [​IMG]
     
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    Bingo. IF the Lakers just sit by and wait until summer 2018 thinking he will sign with them, some team WILL swoop right in and trade for him and do their best to convince him to stay - and they very well may succeed. It's a massive risk on their part but it could pay off, especially if they are a contender and the Lakers win like 35 games next season.

    I keep comparing this to the Knicks/Melo situation. Melo openly wanted to leave Denver and go to the Knicks and they could have waited to sign him as a free agent since they had the cap space but instead they gave up a truckload to acquire him at the trade deadline right before his free agency because Brooklyn was trying their best to acquire him. So the Knicks didn't want to risk it. Again, it hasn't quite worked out for NY/Melo but that has more to do with them - and how much they gave up and that they gutted the team to get Melo - than the situation in itself. If you can guarantee you are getting "your guy" and not gutting your team to do so, you should go ahead and get PG before summer 2018.
     
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    That's why I think it's actually more important to a) make these kids look great the rest of this season, b) do well in FA this summer (meaning add quality players, not necessarily stars), and c) maybe make a trade or sign for another Tier 2-3 type of player who gives the Lakers more stability.

    We need to be attractive. Right now we're at best interesting, we need to be intriguing. If we go the MItch/Jim route and fall back on "well there's got to be someone who wants to come here", it won't happen.
     
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    bird in the hand. obviously, you don't sell everyone, but i actually agreed with what ny did at the time. none of those pieces went on to be special, and melo was an all nba player for them. they failed to properly build around melo--and maybe that's because it's not easy--but they at least had a puncher's chance during his prime. gallinari wasn't going to give them that, ever.

    so for the lakers, it's about properly valuing your own assets--which ones still have a chance to be special? keep as many as possible while getting folks that already are special. i don't think it's possible to keep all the young guys AND get someone who's legitimately good right now. or at least, the past few years suggest it's not.
     
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    Yup. That's why I don't view trading Randle, JC and a pick as "gutting the team" at all and worth moving for George this summer when you are keeping your best 3 talents on the team with Russell, Ingram and Zubac.
     
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    i agree. i don't think it's likely that indy takes that. they'll demand one of those latter three, imo. unless the pick you're talking about is the hypothetical top-3--in which case i might be asking them for something else, too.

    trade asset hierarchy:

    blue chip: russell/ingram/hypothetical top 3 pick
    not quite bluechip: randle, zubac
    good and young: clarkson


    salary ballast: almost everyone else


    radioactive waste: deng, mozgov


    to get an allstar, i think at least one from the top row has to be outgoing. which one might determine how much from the next two rows has to go.
     
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    It is the Top 3 that I generally refer to. I just referred to it as "a pick" in the context of gutting the team since it's technically not a roster player as of yet.

    I agree that the Lakers should definitely see what can be done in terms of maybe having Indiana take back Deng or Mozgov IF they are getting two young talents and a Top 3 pick.

    The suggestion above by @Khmrp could work - although not a fan of taking back Big Al if we still have Mozgov - along with Zubac and Black still.

    Perhaps: Randle, Clarkson, Mozgov and Top 3 pick for George/Jefferson. "Movin' on up!"
     
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    Looking forward to tuning into the Washington at UCLA game tonight. Fultz vs. Ball Part 2
     
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    Also, keep in mind that George by himself isn't enough. Yes, we can sign George outright in 2018, but that'd be it. Is George added to this squad enough? We will likely need to jettison (or let walk in the case of Randle) some of the young talent just to be able to afford a running mate for George.
     
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    Thanks for announcing this. I didn't know they were playing.
     
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    I'm going to be watching Fultz's approach closely, watch him without the ball. How is his demeanor? Because UCLA should destroy Fultz's team on pure talent. Washington's team is awful, but how does Fultz attack this game? Does he coast? Does he take up at least the one-on-one battles with Ball?
     
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    On the flip side, I wanna see how Ball approaches it. Will he get caught up trying to win the 1 on 1 battle or work in the system knowing they have bigger fish to fry.
     
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    Agreed. When I watched the first matchup a month or so ago when UCLA was @ Washington I thought it was Ball that came out with more energy compared to Fultz and Fultz waited too long to keep his team in it. He just didn't have the demeanor I was hoping for.

    Hoping this changes tonight like you mentioned.
     
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    I actually mentioned it in this thread yesterday, too, in a reply to your post about having only seen Ball a few times and not seeing Fultz yet. Back a couple pages.
     
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    So BOOM .... round 2 tonight Fultz vs Ball 8pm pacific
     
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