President Trump

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Philosophy -(FORUM CLOSED)-' started by TIME, Jan 20, 2017.

  1. Azndude2190

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    This does not seem quantifiable at all. More anecdotal to me.
     
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    It's both. When an order specifically implies that Christian refugees have priority over any other religion coming to the US, that is blatant religious discrimination. All the internet does is make the news more widespread and available, but that does not take away from how the rest of the world feels no matter the manner in which they get the information. Discrimination is discrimination.
     
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    There's crickets about that because no one actually thinks his soon to be AG, Jeff "I don't believe in Civil Rights" Sessions is actually going to come down hard on anyone who violates that directive. And there is no track record for it anyways.
     
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    Again, not defending that particular EO. I didn't like the wording and I still don't. I think if you're going to ban people from an area you feel is dangerous, then ban them all. I honestly don't have a huge problem with that concept in the short term (4-6 months) while an infrastructure that I'm comfortable with is put in place. I know there's already one in place, but it's not working for other countries and I want my hands on to know if it's working here. If the ban persists, it becomes a problem to me.

    Also any American with a passport should obviously have not been affected. I understand many terrorists are homegrown and travel back and forth between the US and the ME is a red flag, but those people should be on FBI watch lists if they're suspected terrorists. I've got family (by marriage) that travels to and from Pakistan every 18 months or so. I know this was a hard thing for them, but I still support it. Again, not the Muslim v. Christian angle, just the national security angle.
     
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    You don't have to agree with it, but I think it's pretty obvious that the majority of people on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, etc. are liberal or at least lean that way. Obviously it changes person to person and you can go find people who agree with you.
     
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    But to me this seems on the line as complaining about how the media is liberal and glossing over the fact that the people who actually wield power and can implement policy are the Republicans. Never mind the fact that the guy who is actually pulling the strings in the White House, Steve Bannon, made a name for himself on the internet with Breibart.
     
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    I agree with both of you.

    The loudest are those who control the media, which is mainly liberal.

    Those with the power to enact legislative change is wholeheartedly GOP. House, Senate, WH, and very soon, the Supreme Court.
     
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    It's about money and demographics when it comes to the internet and media. The coveted ad demo is 18-32. That age group is usually pretty liberal. It's also the same age group that is more internet savvy and would be posting on Youtube, etc. People become conservative as the age. Likely because they start making real money and see their paychecks get raped by taxes and it starts to dawn on them that it's unfair having to pay for other people.
     
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    I'm not glossing over it, I'm saying it's the reason there's so much division. There's obviously about half the country more or less that isn't liberal, but because the majority of liberals are using social media, you get two separate groups of people. You get the liberals who sound off with each other on the Internet consistently until they believe they're the only ones right with answers. You get the conservatives who ignore social media and take into account only themselves and those immediately around them. Neither of those sides communicate enough which has lead to a serious divide in the country.

    The policy makers were elected this way for so many reasons, the greatest of which was the mistake of nominating Hillary Clinton. Yikes.
     
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    There is a difference between discrimination and preferential treatment.
     
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    I'm 26, I'm making money, I live in CA and I don't think I'm taxed unfairly. To me it's not about paying taxes. It's always been about how my money is being used. I'd rather my tax money go towards fixing infrastructure and education then fighting wars for example.
     
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    Is that an alternative fact?
     
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    I think that's generally how liberals look at the tax question.

    It's not robbery if you are willing to give some of your money for the betterment of the nation.
     
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    And I think that Conservatives believe that refugees, illegals, and those below the poverty line are soaking up their hard earned tax money, and should be reserved for hard working Americans, but in reality it's a small drop in the bucket compared to amount of money the extremely wealthy and corrupt businesses are able to get out of paying their share of taxes as well as the amount of tax revenue the US spends on Military spending, putting the US in greater debt.

    Items like socialized healthcare and education would easily be funded WITHOUT raising taxes if the top 1% of the 1% actually paid their share of taxes, we stopped spending so much on the military funding, and so many companies aren't getting bailed out and using loopholes for profit.
     
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    The idea that all taxation is forcible theft by the government of an individual's private property is more so a Libertarian philosophy. To me conservativism is more linked to like the culture wars. Positions like being pro-life and for traditional marriage.
     
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    I'm in a Libertarian group on FB. They are fanatical about "tax is theft."
     
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    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-berkshire-buffett-stocks-idUSKBN15F286

    Looks like Warren Buffett is betting on Trump to have our economy thriving.


    The failure of Warren Buffett's favored candidate to capture the White House has not dimmed the billionaire's appetite for stocks.

    Buffett revealed that he has bought $12 billion of stock for his company Berkshire Hathaway Inc since the Republican Donald Trump beat Democrat Hillary Clinton in the Nov. 8 U.S. presidential election.

    In an interview with talk show host Charlie Rose that aired on Friday night, Buffett suggested that Berkshire's post-election stock purchases overall were even higher, reflecting stocks that his deputies Todd Combs and Ted Weschler bought.

    "We've, net, bought $12 billion of common stocks since the election," Buffett said. "The guys that work with me, the two fellows, they probably bought a little bit or sold a little bit too."

    The speed with which Berkshire is buying stocks is unusual. It has spent in fewer than three months roughly half what it spent on equities in the three years ending Sept. 30, 2016.

    Buffett demurred on whether Berkshire has added to its stakes in the four largest U.S. airlines: American Airlines Group Inc, Delta Air Lines Inc, Southwest Airlines Co and United Continental Holdings Inc.

    Berkshire revealed those stakes in mid-November, surprising many given Buffett's long aversion to the sector.

    Asked why Berkshire dove in, Buffett said: "It was in large part my decision."

    U.S. stocks rose after Trump was elected, reflecting investor optimism that his policies might boost economic growth, aided by a Congress also under Republican control.
     
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