Timofey Mozgov Discussion: Shut Down For Season (66)

Establishing a market establishes what overpaying is.

 

You cannot judge a decision without the context. Open heart surgery on a whim? Awful idea. To save a life? Good idea.

What should I pay for x? How badly do you need it, and what would you have to pay for alternatives?

 

The claim is that we overpaid. That's the part that hasn't been established. The averageness is clear.

 

How could you not know? Not only is the list extraordinarily easy to find, but we've listed the names for you and all the others who insist this was a bad signing. You've let your bias against Mozgov dictate your view on the matter instead of looking at his contract objectively.

 

That doesn't even make sense. First of all, who in any media is saying the Lakers are a strong front office and defending them? National media has continuously trashed our front office for the last three years at least. Local media has been at best questioning of the front office and at worst bashed them just as harshly as the national media.

Any article that claims we set the price and therefore we're the stupid ones doesn't even understand how markets work. If we set the price (probably true), that doesn't mean everyone else is forced to adhere to it. For instance, we paid Deng more than most other swingmen this summer. We paid greater than market price for a guy the front office assumed would be a great asset. We easily could have paid Mozgov 64 million and then guys like Noah, Biyombo, Zeller, Leonard, etc. could have been paid 50 million if that's what the rest of the league deemed them worth. Instead the rest of the league agreed with the Lakers' evaluation of the Center market and paid either more or less depending on the player. The Lakers were smart in their valuation of what Mozgov was worth. The only thing that mares this signing is when it occurred, not the price. Objective analysis should show, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Mozgov's contract was a market value contract meaning he's in fact not overpaid by the context of the market. It's a fact as much as the sky is blue.

 

I'm beginning to understand you're either a troll or you don't understand economics. I'm not an economics professor and I don't want to waste my time on trolls. If you can't understand what context is and what the market is, I'm not going to explain it to you anymore. Plenty more people than me have tried and you either willingly don't understand it or you understand it and you don't care. Either way, my time is more valuable than this.

 

No a troll is not someone who disagrees. I frequently have conversations with people I disagree with. A troll is someone who disagrees on no basis of fact and then brandishes their factless opinion in others' faces without even considering how factless their argument is.

 

I hated the Moz signing when we did it, but he's actually played and fit better than I thought he would. The contract I regret is Deng's. I didn't expect much from Moz but Deng I expected more from. Deng's position is predicated in large part to athleticism or at least good defense and he doesn't bring either to the table. He looks 5 years older out there than his real age which is just befuddling. I'm very disappointed especially in his defense. He seems too slow to lock anyone down. Bruce Bowen was playing good (albeit dirty) defense when he was 37 years old. This guy's only 31.

 

How would you rate/rank the contracts awarded to these players? These are the ten highest paid Centers from FA last season.
Drummond
Horford
Howard
Jefferson
Leonard
Mahinmi
Mozgov
Noah
Plumlee
Whiteside

 

No, Tyler Johnson is on my cover.