Jim Buss Article (USA TODAY SAM AMICK)

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  1. Khmrp

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    Nobody good was going to sign here with or without that article. Ref back to last off season and see how pathetic it looked when it was leaked that mgmt had to beg Aldridge agent just to get a 2nd meeting so they wouldnt look so stupid when it came to basketball related questions, ref back to the fact Monroe didnt even look our way.....what Jeannie had something tondo with that too?
     
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    Likely so no highly sought FA was going to sign here. That excuses what she did?? Clearly detrimental to the organization's best interests. It certainly wasn't meant to help the organization but rather hurt her brother's chances at remaining. He screwed her 4 years ago with the unexpected passing over of Phil for D'antoni. Much more likely she still believes in Phil and is engaged to him, and would go back to him, rather than start a hunt on her own for an other than "Phil" hiring with Jim out of the way now.
     
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    Got a notification on my phone that Phil and Jeannie broke up.

    Guess that puts an end to any talk of Phil returning.
     
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    Heard that too
     
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    Jeannie wasnt in the fa pitch meeting nor was she involved in the coaching hires...i dont see you addressing that in ref to jim failure in those 2 department
     
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    Jeanie has her share of problems, I don't trust her much more, if more at all than Jim. She was responsible for those awful "Stay Dwight" billboards, and for undermining Mitch and Jim in the media this offseason RIGHT before free agency, and multiple times before that in regards to comments on Phil Jackson and other issues.
     
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    Forget it. You keep changing the subject with regard to what I was talking about. Do you always ignore what's written 3 different ways in 3 separate posts?

    Doesn't make any difference any more now as their breaking off their engagement since I last typed with you ....makes my concern moot and the topic null and void. Phil's not coming back regardless of what happens now with Jimmy boy and it wasn't my point to be defending his prior f*** ups.
     
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    It's still f*** the Buss kids as far as I'm concerned until they prove me otherwise .

    Their fight for power and " no clue" approach/strategy have seriously damaged the image of an elite organization in a time setting record
     
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    I'm not sure how you can defend Jeanie @Khmrp as she's done nothing to earn that trust.

    Both Buss kids have serious flaws. I've never excused either although it's been far, far more popular to bash Jim than Jeanie.

    I would absolutely not trust her to find an alternative basketball operations executive.

    Her and Phil leaving each other (which honestly should have happened a long time ago) is a good thing for the Lakers. Time to start trying to rebuild bridges for the Buss kids.
     
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    Jeannie has had fewer failures than Jim, in all aspects of being part of the lakers org. She worked from the bottom up, Jim was made an executive off the bat with no schooling, no experience and coming off of several failed ventures outside of the lakers where he also probably lacked schooling/xp. Jeannine isn't perfect, but she's not the one who makes trades, hirings bad coaches time and time again and makes public moronic guarantee's like Jim has (even during our dark days). Yes she's underminded Jim with WORDS not actions, she has not stopped him from his past poor coaching hiring decisions, stopped him from making poor trades, etc. I know we're laker fans but you guys are sad to be honest, to be happy that Jeannie had to give up her love just so some here can be satisfied that she's truly giving her all to the Lakers now, well wtf has Jim given up then?
     
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    I'm not certain of that. What past successes can be awarded to her individually? I'm not accusing her of anything, but I honestly don't have the answers for this sort of conjecture.
    Actually quickly looking up their wikipedia pages you can see they had very similar upbringing apart from Jeanie attending USC. Their father paid for them to be executives of various other sports teams/business ventures that had varying degrees of success. I would say Jeanie did a better job, but she has a better personality for that sort of thing. She's outgoing and bright while Jim doesn't want the spotlight and media attention.
    She's the one who is in charge as she has made perfectly clear. If those decisions are done under her umbrella, then they are her decisions. Her lack of involvement is as much her fault as anyone else's.
    Those words were an action. If you can't understand that distinction, I'm not sure what there really is to say about this matter. She acted vindictively by torpedoing her own team's ability to succeed by using Mouthpiece Ding to hurt the Lakers' ability to sign players. I'm sure she'd tell you she regretted doing that if you asked her candidly.
    It's sad that you view it through that prism. I don't know anything about their relationship, but few relationships get easier when the couples are separated by a few dozen miles let alone 3000 miles. Besides, I never said I was happy that ended her relationship. I said it was better for the team. You should learn how to separate the difference. Say a battery in your phone explodes and burns a hole in your desk. Isn't it good that you know the phone and battery are prone to explosions even if it caused some damage? You don't have to be happy that the phone exploded, but you can acknowledge it's better to know.
    I feel like giving up parts of your personal reputation and certainly his entire professional reputation is a pretty big thing to give up. Would you?
     
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    what rep did he have? was it not true he hired his bartender buddy as a scout? Was it not true he failed at horse racing? Didn't attend any schooling, failed at coaching hires, etc.? And Jeannine rep hasn't been getting flung around here because of her ties to Phil? As for you tieing Jeannine to Jims failures, well all things considered she should get some slack for being respectable enough as sibling cause if Jim wasn't part owner and family he would've/should've been fired a long time ago. I understand people feelings about Phil NOW since NYK hasn't been worlds beater since his reign their but AT THE TIME of MDA hiring, why was it so wrong for Jeannie to want Phil here? Besides the fact Phil was her man, its not like she was lobbying for a failure of a coach like Boron or Brown for that matter but a coach that brought us 5 chips in less than a decade, tell me what other coaches we had over the years that had that potential? Given MDA and Boron failed tenure here, if I was Jeannie I'd still be angry and annoyed to this today myself regardless of Phils lack of success in NYK....and as much failure as NYK is having, at the very least they can say they have a franchise player and another one in place to take over eventually in Porzingis, something I hardly doubt any laker fan can say at this point with a lot of confidence.
     
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    No. Absolutely not. You cannot try to peddle nepotism as an admirable quality. If would have/should have been fired a long time ago, then he would have/should have been fired. It's not admirable for a business executive to go easy on somebody who is incompetent especially if the reason they're going easy on that person is because they have some sort of relationship.
    Then she should be mad at herself because she allowed the team to be put in this position. She announced that she is in ultimate control of the franchise and thus our failures the last few years fall on her shoulders. There's no point denying that.

    This isn't a defense of Jim Buss, it's an honest assessment of the organization's failures. I've been very public about my desire to move on from the Buss children altogether in favor of people who will be more responsible for their actions with this franchise. To blame Jim solely and try to pass of Jeanie as some saint is inaccurate.
     
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    WWBD?


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    I'm fine with keeping things the way they are. Our record isn't great, everyone knows that but progress has been made and without knowing the insides it appears that he has a good/great relationship with Mitch and Luke. Our scouting department is exceptional.

    Why rock the boat now......
     
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    This is as good of a place as any.

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    "When Jeanie and Jim Buss argue, guess who usually wins?"

    ***credit to @LTLakerFan for finding this awesome gif***
     
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    Yeah but it was supposed to be Stern's head. :SadPau2: He needs an exploding head. And with a basketball taking it off for his "basketball reasons" is sweet justice. Any way to do that? This is just gratuitous Buss family violence. :Kareemlook:
     
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    Yes, that's the type of "unnatural basketball act" we need, for "basketball reasons"!
     
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