Star Wars Thread (a Galaxy Far Far Away) Obi-Wan Movie In The Works! (36)

Rogue One was maybe a 7/10. If it were a standalone film, I would have said it wasn't gritty enough to be a gritty war movie. Given that it's in the Star Wars universe, it had a very strange tone. Not gritty enough to be gritty (if you want that, read the no-longer-canon Karen Traviss series Republic Commando). Not heroic enough to be a heroic "last mission" film. K2SO was great. Jyn was great, but she didn't get to showcase her skills enough. But it was overall enjoyable and mostly well put together - and it definitely fixed the greatest mistake in Star Wars history.

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Weak a** "villain." I know that's sometimes how things go in the real world - you do a mission that you're doomed to die on, you die, and you're not around to see the benefits of the mission. I get that. Star Wars can't really pull off that story though. That's why I give it maybe a 7. I wouldn't go much lower, and I wouldn't go any higher.

 

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I just don't think they'd ever base such an important character off of a cartoon. The vast, vast majority of audiences won't watch the cartoons. In fact, characters that had a massive impact on the Rebels early on like the characters from the show Rebels barely made it into Rogue One. (Although how cool was it seeing the Ghost, hearing Syndulla, and seeing Chopper on screen??). I can't see them basing such an important history off of a character most people won't know. That'd be very, very surprising and really unprecedented I think. I'm starting to hope you're right, but I'm just not sold.

It should also be noted that Carrie FIsher had a massive heart attack two days ago. According to the latest reports she suffered the attack flying to LA from London and was not breathing on the plane for 10 minutes. My prayers go out to her. She hasn't had the smoothest of lives and this would be a sad way for her life to end.

 

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I don't think it's an issue honestly. They're establishing the backstory of lots of characters that are in the new movies in novels that most people will never read, so why not a cartoon that a lot of people watch. Apparently reading Catalyst will give you much more insight and appreciation for some characters in Rogue One like Galen Eros and Krenick, as just one example. There are also possibly characters introduced in Bloodlines we may see in Episode 8. Also, the Clone Wars cartoon is canon and it goes really deep into a lot of lore, and imo enhances the prequels greatly (not in quality, but in story and adding much needed depth to the characters). I think at some point we will see major characters come from the cartoons, books, comics, one of them if not all. If Rey is related to Sabine in the end it also gives people a reason that didn't watch Rebels to go back and do so, to buy the dvds and blurays, so there's that.

As for Carrie Fisher, report today is she's in stable condition, so that's encouraging news and I hope for the best.

 

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I hope you're right, I just don't see it. Those things are used to deepen the already existing movies, not the other way around. For instance characters from the Clone Wars and Rebels shows haven't been major characters in the movie. In fact we didn't even see anyone from Rebels besides Chopper. The only one that's breaking that mold was Saw Guerrera, but his part was reduced in the movie and met with very little support.

 

I think I'm with you most of the way, but slight adjustments.

1. ESB
2. FA
3. RO
4. ANH
5. RoJ
6. RoS
7. PM
8. AoC

The hardest part for me is Return of the Jedi vs. Revenge of the Sith. There's some decent stuff in Revenge of the Sith, but it's hard to argue against the 3rd act of Return of the Jedi. Like you said that fight in the third act is just fantastic. I have Rogue One just barely ahead of A New Hope just on that third act. That third act is nonstop, edge-of-your_seat excitement that runs you through the full gambit of emotions. Like you I think Force Awakens is a tiny bit better than Rogue One, but I can understand someone disagreeing on that.

Attack of the Clones meanwhile is by a wide, wide margin the worst Star Wars movie. It's the most boring with the least ingenuity with the worst acting and some of the worst dialogue of all time. At least Phantom Menace introduces some cool things like Pod Racing and double-edged lightsabers and Coruscant and different droid types, etc. Attack of the Clones does nothing.

 

Speaking of Star Wars...

Rest in Peace to Princess Leia. Carrie Fisher dies at 60 years old of a heart attack. She's one with the Force now.

 

Wow, I really thought Carrie Fisher was gonna make it through this, incredibly sad. Just when she'd made a comeback with Star Wars she's gone. I've read she might have had a larger role in Episode 8 on the political side of things too, I know she's been a larger focus in a few of the books between RoTJ and TFA. I hope everything they needed from her for Episode 8 was already shot and she at least gets to go out well in her final performance on screen. I don't know if they had plans for her beyond 8, but I believe Trevorrow has said he did, so I assume they now have to change the ending of Episode 8. It's one thing to use a digital actor that has been dead for 20+ years in a movie, but I'd think it would be very weird to do it with someone who has just passed and they wont go there. Whatever the case, RIP Carrie Fisher, gone too soon.

 

I can agree with that. Watching A New Hope right after Rogue One makes ANH so much more fun. Those two movies play together in such a great way. As a whole I would say A New Hope is a better movie, but Rogue One's highs are higher. The first two acts of Rogue One aren't all that great, but by the time the third act rolls around it's the best ride. I could call those a toss up.

 

If she wasn't written out of Episode 8 already, I say give her a hero's death off-screen in Episode 9 and move forward. I really hope they don't try any CGI on her at this point.