Timofey Mozgov Discussion: Shut Down For Season (66)

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  1. lakerjones

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    Mozgov has outperformed any expectations I had for him. He's one of the least of our worries, IMO. Now Deng is another story.
     
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    No i dont want hibbert back, i just find the rational for his weak blk #s is poor, so with that rationale of "help the helper" and "verticality" and with the perimeter players we have, are we saying we're always gona a C that's poor at protecting the rim regardless of who we play at C?
     
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    Is low blocks = no rim protection?

    Is verticality = elite defense?

    Honestly, I'm asking how you view these things.
     
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    We're at the bottom of the league with it comes to interior defense, so something not working and the bigs should be most responsible for that.
     
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    I don't know. Defense is a team failing typically. I don't think Moz is elite, but we have some terrible defenders.
     
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    We need to find a way, to make him shoot more midrange jumpers. That shot is money, i'm realy impressed.
     
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    Ok the block stat as an overall critique of Moz is a bit weak. Watch him play. He is a formidable presence inside whether you see it by looking at a single stat or not. I was not for his contract at first because I read his stats but watching him has changed my mind. He is the wrong target for our defensive failings inside. He's been a problem inside for people. Especially against other bigs.

    Other teams burn our guards, take advantage of turnovers, fastbreak and score before our bigs can get set up. With all the guards getting penetration from our weak perimeter defense and no help from Julius with a vertical center like that we're gonna get paint scores. There's the bad defense stat. Teamed with Nance, he got more support and the penetration protection inside was better (in a half court, not when we are burned by TOs and fastbreaks). Junior could help but he's on the bench.
     
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    Moz shots not enough! :Kobeheadbob:
     
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    Hammer and sickle to my fatherland. Moz has lost it.
     
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    :Shaqlaughing 2:
     
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    With all do respect to Mosgov fans in here, he blows and always has blown. He might give you one game, maybe 2, or maybe even a weeks worth of good, but his overall game is below average. He cant score, cant shoot, rebounds less than 10 guards in the NBA, cant guard the rim on a consistent bases, and worse, he is complaining to the ref every play like he is due some kind of respect for being a guy that gifted physically yet plas, maybe, a grade above Rob Sacre. Sacre was a D-, Mosgov is a C-. That's all he is. Only issue is, he is making 18 mil per for the next 3 and a half years. Not worth one grade above the trash we had making 800K a year.
     
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    I completely and utterly disagree with this. Extremely disagree.
     
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    Screw it. Deleted.
     
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    I have no idea what Mozgov you're watching, but it isn't the same one I've been watching. I strongly disagree with everything you're saying here.

    Mozgov has been solid for us all season.
     
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    Has team's lowest +/-

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    I dont agree entirely with ox assement on moz but i also disagree he does a solid job on opposing bigs, if he doesnt get spoon fed or setup for easy basket his O can be spoty and he certainly does not bother opposing bigs who have any adequate offense, most times they go right at him on driving hooks which on most occasion moz does not even bother jumpimg or contesting much, just puts his hands up as if that's really bothers the opposing players. i cant blame him for guard penetration. however while moz cant handle penetrating guard, that doesnt mean every C cant do that, even on our team
     
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    moz is living up to my expectations. in fact, i think some of what he and deng do (proper rotations and spacing on both sides, screen setting, etc.) gets lost because they share the floor with folks who don't. i frequently see moz having to get in people's ear about missing their spots on d, and he's right.


    the quandary for the lakers is the folks who don't consistently do these things are by far their most talented players.
     
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    There's only one ball. We have Nick, Lou, Dlo, Clarkson, and Randle, all of whom love to try to score and are really good at it. Mozgov doesn't need to be the focus of any offense with those players on the court. What he does need to do is hit the shots that he does take, and he's been fantastic at taking good shot when presented and making them at a high clip.

    On defense, what opposing center has smoked him and had a banner night? I'm not a stat guy, so I wouldn't even know where to find it, but just watching the games, I guarantee he's not doing worse than the league average on man defense.
     
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    http://www.82games.com/1617/16LAL15.HTM

    Stat ON Court OFF Court Net
    Minutes 214 313 40%
    Offense: Pts per 100 Poss. 106.7 112.2 -5.5
    Defense: Pts per 100 Poss. 113.7 106.2 -7.5 (the team allows less pts with him off the floor)
    Net Points per 100 Possessions -7 6 -13 (the team also scores)

    Also while he may not allow C to burn him, he is certainly NOT bothering much at all, as the per 48min who he is guarding on avg. would avg 17/14 on him. In addition while he isn't allowing a huge PER spike to opposing opponents the PER differencial between Moz and his counter part is HUGE. In comparison, if you use same metrics for Hibbert last yr, there isn't much of a difference as far as defensive impact if you're using metrics. Not to say he's is Hibbert, cause at least he's not falling down on every play or going up soft on dunks, but grand scheme its the same as last yr in regards to paint defense
     
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    No it's not the same as last year in paint defense.

    This is a great example of how stats can be misleading, because Mozgov is playing with our first unit, which sucks compared to our bench both offensively and defensively. That being said, I'm watching Mozgov make the correct rotation to try to stop a scorer 90% of the time, while his teams mates blow the rotation to cover his man. Mozgov is rarely out of position, and rarely easily scored upon if going one on one, but he and Nick can't cover 5 spots on the floor. That's why you always see Mozgov yelling at his teammates in those positions because they aren't properly rotating when he does. As much as I love him, Randle is usually especially guilty of this.

    Offensively, he's making open shots, with his range much deeper than I expected up to at least 15 feet out, which is all we need. He isn't, and shouldn't be the focus of our offense, because we have too may great scorrers and the game has changed to a guard centric offensive league.

    Really, of all the problems this team has, Mozgov's play isn't even on the list. He has been solid since we got him.
     
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