The Official Byron Scott Coach Thread 2014-2015

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  1. Doc Brown

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    "Then the other guys can just stay spaced out..."

    Lol what? Is he talking about the players reaction to his coaching or the fact no one in the starting unit can stretch the D to the 3 point line?
     
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    Precisely why Lin needs to start and Price come off the bench. Lin with Davis makes sense. Price with Davis makes none.
     
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    Or Ellington or Young have to start. Price is not a three point threat and neither is Wes.

    Ellington/Kobe/Johnson/Davis/Hill makes some sense.

    Price/Kobe/Young/Davis/Hill makes some sense.

    Lin/Kobe/Young/Davis/Hill makes some sense.

    even Ellington/Kobe/Johnson/Davis/Sacre makes some sense.

    Price/Kobe/Johnson/Davis/Hill doesn't really make much sense.

    that's why I believe we're in tank mode.
     
  4. lakerjones

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    Totally agreed on what makes sense out there, although I'd most like to see Lin, Kobe, Wes, Hill, Davis. But yeah, what's really telling is Byron saying he was going to roll with this new lineup for 10 - 20 games to see how it looks. I'm not completely convinced yet, but that could very well be tank talk. You don't need that many games to figure out what is going to work personnel-wise. That's a huge sample size and his saying that means we have 10 -20 games to throw away with no pressure about winning games. He is giving himself (or the FO is giving him or both) carte blanche to experiment with no consequences or urgency regarding W's. Means this season is pretty much history.
     
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    You read my mind. Right now we're a paltry 5-16 which is obviously 21 games.

    Another 20 games is half-way through the season already! In those 20 games, with an "experimental" lineup how far are we going to fall? Can we go even 5-15 with Price/Johnson as starters? I don't think so.

    So if we're sitting at 10-31 around the All-Star break then it's over right? We start "strategically sitting Kobe to save his legs". Maybe we trade away Lin and Hill if he wants to leave.

    I think we're in full tank mode now. Mitch gave the orders to Byron not too long ago: it's time to sink the ship and come back next season with a Top 5 pick.
     
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    ^^ I have to think you're probably right, real. There's just no way you need 10-20 games of Price as a starter to see it isn't working. That's a REALLLLLY long leash, and we already know it isn't going to work. The FO is definitely in tank mode.
     
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    And why shouldn't they be? We're 5-16 right now. That's only half a game better than Minnesota. We're tied with Utah. Both have beat us, so in a tie breaker we're worse than them.

    On the East Coast it's a bit of a different story. The Hornets are 5-15. The Knicks are 4-18. The Pistons are 3-18 and the Sixers are 2-18. I think the Hornets eventually improve. I think Minnesota will end up better than us when they get Rubio back. I think Utah ends up better than us with their young core.

    Look at our next 9 games:
    Kings, @San Antonio, @Minnesota, @Indiana, Thunder, @Kings, Warriors, @Bulls, and @Mavericks.

    How many wins are there? Maybe two, I'd say three tops. Maybe we beat Minnesota. Maybe we get lucky against a good team. And maybe we pull one win out of the Kings. That's if we're lucky though.
     
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    We're 5-16.
     
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    Typo/wishful thinking. Thanks.
     
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    Byron now has four minus offensive players (RPrice, WJohnson, EDavis, JHill) starting with Kobe. Byron is again putting too much on Kobe.

    Per Kevin Ding.

    ISO Kobe here we come...
     
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    Where I was hoping Byron would do some good is with training the rooks. We lost Randle and I can't tell if Clarkson is motivated by Byron or just pissed off at the lack of minutes.

    Still I find it hard to believe a guy with a questionable coaching past gets his dream job in the place with the most spotlight, and then agrees to voluntarily tank.

    That doesn't do much for his reputation as a coach, whether or not the Lakers are his end-game.
     
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    That's a good quote from Boozer. It's revealing. As much as I think his defense is some of the worst on the team, he's clearly onto something. You can't possibly work at defense all the time and be historically bad with this group of players.
     
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    I do agree that it's hard to believe Byron is actively tanking. The FO definitely is in my opinion. But the give away is that Byron said he would try this current lineup for 10-20 games. There's simply no reason he needs that long to figure out what he has for the starting lineup won't work with Price at PG. It means he has a lot of time on his hands to fiddle around and an excuse to do it. If the FO really wanted wins, there would be pressure on him to do so. Like real said, that takes us to mid-season with basically no hope for a turnaround. It's either that or he just doesn't see what everyone else sees that Price as a starter with no outside shooters will handicap you hard enough to basically lose every game.
     
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    ... or maybe Byron is realy that bad and clueless?
    I realy hope it's the "tank mode" you mentioned.
     
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    I think he could very well be bad. I don't think at this point in his career he could be clueless. He's been around long enough to know some things... Like Price is a career 3rd string PG for a reason.

    Maybe he's not trying to lose every game, but he certainly doesn't care about winning.
     
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    I have thought we were in full tank mode for a while. Byron had already made several questionable decisions in key points of games and that is not even including running Kobe into the ground.

    I honestly think the front office has looked at the standings, seen just how bad some of the other teams are out there, and said "screw it, we gotta do what we gotta do." I don't see how we can view the latest moves as anything other than tanking.

    And to be honest....sigh...it is probably the right thing to do in the long run. We need more talent and I think we have to at least try and get that top 5 pick.
     
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    Agreed. Byron may not be the best coach in the world, but I believe he knows when a guy just flat out isn't any good.
     
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    My previous question still stands though. If we're in a tank mode why the hell is Kobe playing so many minutes and why doesn't JC and Ellington see more PT?
     
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    I would love that. I think the FO is on the Kobe last pony show though, and let's face it, he's the only one selling the tickets so he's going to play.
     
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