Presidential Election Aftermath: What Now / What Next?

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  1. sirronstuff

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    I haven't followed close enough to know, but I have always found it ridiculous that the people usually in charge of the biggest budgets in the world have little to no business running experience.

    It breeds the type of pay for play politicians we see today.
     
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    Bad investments, i.e. Mistakes, are about risk, education, loss, falling down and getting back up, etc.

    What we have is a guy who has figured it out and is on the positive side are a lifetime of experience.

    Just like sales commissions plans drive behavior, so do business tax laws. If he paid no net income tax in any recent year, it's because he understands the law, and is participating in the type of behavior the government is promoting as beneficial for the country.

    Ex: if a company makes their building energy efficient, they can get a tax deduction of up to $1.80 a square foot. A million sq ft warehouse can get a 1.8 million dollar tax deduction! Why? Because it drives behavior that ultimately benefits the country. Win win.

    Anyone who thinks Trump isn't audited repeatedly is crazy. I'm sure he has the finest consultants keeping him compliant.

    A guy who understands and can navigate that world can adapt to gov't process more easily that the opposite.

    Doesn't mean I think he's s great candidate, but Hillary impresses me much less.
     
  3. John3:16

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    Calling a beauty pageant queen a pig is clearly worse than condemning a raped woman (or 3... hundred).

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/28/juanita-broaddrick-to-chelsea-clinton-your-parents/

    Or this video. Gotta appreciate the laugh at 1:15. Or not.



    Imagine if Trump did this.
     
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    Serious question. What has Donald Trump said that is racist?

    The examples most people point to might be, "He thinks Mexicans are rapists, he thinks Mexicans can't be judges, he thinks all Muslims are terrorists".

    But he's never said that. He said a lot of illegal immigrants from Mexico (people who by definition can't be vetted) are criminals. He said one specific Mexican judge who is an activist for the Latino community would inherently be biased in judging a specific case of a high profile public figure who has been (wrongly) painted as a racist who hates Mexicans. He doesn't want to get involved with Muslim nations that are involved in a religious war, and bring in refugees from a country overrun by Islamic terrorists who proudly admit they will utilize immigration to get their jihadis into our country as they have done in other European nations.
     
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    Alright well here is the tweet in question from the video, along with what Hillary Clinton said later, for those who don't want to go through the whole video.

    Mmm...yea I don't see the hypocrisy.

    There's nothing wrong with saying you support the "right to be believed."

    The problem is that some seem to think that includes the right to withhold the presumption of innocence from the person they accuse. "Believing you" isn't the same thing as saying we're going to give the person you accuse a kangaroo court trial and give them a punishment that the accuser deems to be sufficient.

    Furthermore, I think you have the wrong Clinton woman cited in that Washington Times article. Hilary is nowhere cited in it. Only person who is, is Chelsea, who basically said she's use to people attacking her family. Yea so she downplayed it, because she doesn't think there's any evidence that directly implicates Bill Clinton, which goes back to my point above.
     
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    *Sigh*

    I'm gonna need time to respond to this one. Might get to it some time this weekend.
     
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    Just watched Daily Show post-debate.

    They showed a segment with Trump blaming the mic he had... On air... multiple times.

    I am telling you - this guy is on drugs.

     
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    this is hilarious!!!

     
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    Could you expand on this a little further? Like, what kind of policies were put in place that seemed legit but made matters worse? I've been thinking of this topic for a while but can't quite figure out to how to put it together in my head. All I see is how if we don't raise taxes and increase welfare, then we're elitist racist bigots.
     
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    Well, that's sort of it. There haven't really been any policies put in place. For example, the Democrats had control of congress and the White house during his first term, and instead of pushing through immigration reform or other programs, he spent all his energy pushing through Obamacare, a plan that was never popular even within his own party. That burned his good will and immediately Congress swung back the other way making him a lame duck president.

    I also think the way welfare systems are set up, it actually imprisons minorities. It puts a glass ceiling on their ability to truly break free.
     
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    I'll just leave it here. It should start with Charlie Sheen's story.

     
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    I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you had a busy weekend and forgot about this post. Because if not, you're kind of making my point. Clinton supporters ignore attempts at legitimate political discourse and instead resort to dismissing contrary opinions as too racist/dumb to bother arguing against.
     
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    I've heard on a few occasions that the Obama's and Clinton's don't really like each other. Particularly Bill and Obama.

    Check this out:

    Former president Bill Clinton appeared to take a shot at President Obama's signature health care legislation during a campaign stop in Michigan on Monday, calling it a "crazy system" that "doesn't make any sense."

    Clinton was in Flint, Michigan for a campaign event for his wife and was on the topic of government-run marketplaces under ObamaCare when he made the remarks, The Daily Caller reported.

    "It doesn't make any sense. The insurance model doesn't work here," he said.

    He added that ObamaCare "works fine" for people with "modest" incomes eligible for government subsidies but that "the people that are getting killed in this deal are small business people and individuals who make just a little too much to get any of these subsidies," the Daily Caller reported.

    “You’ve got this crazy system where all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care and then the people are out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a week, wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half,” Clinton said. “It’s the craziest thing in the world.”



     
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    He was twice sued by the DOJ for housing discrimination in the 1970s.
    - Article

    He insinuated that the President was not born in the US, even after Obama produced his birth certificate.
    But wait, didn't Clinton start the birther controversy? Wrong

    He claimed that 80% of whites killed, were by black people.
    - Article

    He supports the policy of "Stop and Frisk".
    Not only has it been ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge, but the NYPD itself said it doesn't work.
    - Article

    He falsely claimed that NJ Muslims celebrated 9/11
    - Article

    He referred to a black man as "my African-American over here"
    - Article

    The KKK endorsed Donald Trump
    - Article

    Trump campaign picks white nationalist as a delegate
    - Article

    He refused to denounce David Duke and his support
    - Article

    But, wait, Azndude2190...is it fair to ask a candidate to disavow everything his supporters say. Fine, he can at least fire his campaign spokeswoman Katrina Pierson who's said some pretty racist things:
    - Article

    He retweets neo-nazi sympathizers, here's one:
    - Article

    He responds "We'll look into it", when asked about replacing TSA's "heebeejabis" with veterans:
    - Article

    Supports a way to ID Muslims and a database to keep track of them:
    - Article

    Supports racial profiling:
    - Article
     
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    Where did I dismiss you?
     
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    None of those prove or even insinuate he's racist, except for the DOJ lawsuit from 1970. 46 years ago. He's 70 right now. So, when he was 24. Okayyyyy....

    Who did Hillary claim was her mentor? Senator Byrd, aka Grand Wizard of the KKK.

    Did she denounce him? Or did she speak at his funeral?

    Who referred to young blacks as "Super Predators" ???
     
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    Hillary Clinton on ‘superpredator’ remarks: ‘I shouldn’t have used those words’

    Robert Bryd on his past:

    Sources:
    Yes, Robert Byrd Was Once In The KKK, And Yes, It’s OK That Hillary Clinton Once Praised Him, Here’s Why

    Where are Donald Trump's apologies? Where is David Duke denouncing his past?

    Contrition and remorse matters. I know you like to dismiss these subtle differences, but it actually does matter.

    Really, none of them? Wow okay. Then i'm just going to exit this entire conversation before you make my blood boil even more.
     
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    How is mentioning that Muslims should be put in a database NOT racist, if not xenophobic, which inherently is the same thing.

    Because some terrosists claim to be Muslim, he suggests that we need a database for people of a religious sect?

    Are you kidding me?
     
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    And Trump supporters blame everything on the media twisting stories when the words are coming straight from his mouth, if we're trying generalize here.
     
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