To Serve And Protect

Officers version

http://abcnews.go.com/US/tulsa-police-officer-shares-side-story-terence-crutchers/story?id=42243843

 

That it's not automatically unreasonable for black suspects to run all the time because statistically, they are being harassed by the police in Massachusetts to a degree.

This isn't a judge's ruling. This is the ruling of the state supreme court of Massachusetts. It's not likely that they didn't do their homework and due diligence on the matter and just relied on one report by the ACLU.

I don't know, but the supreme court ruled it is reasonable for black men to run sometimes because of how often they go through unreasonable encounters.

 

I mean, I guess agree that it is a reasonable reaction, but it is still not OK to do it. I would never run from a cop unless I had done something terribly wrong.

 

I think this is more of a ruling establishing that a black man running away isn't necessarily indicative of wrong doing on their part because sometimes they have a valid reason to not want to deal with the cops even if they did nothing wrong.

 

I could have sworn you said something to the effect of, you could understand police being more scared of black suspects because of black crime rates, but maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

Anyway @davriver209 what do you think of this? This was, filmed a good 6 months ago or so, but this is why so many black people agree with BLM. They shot this black dude for trying to open his car door, but this white guy is on something, waving a machete around, they taze him repeatedly, it doesn't work, and instead of shooting him, they let him run of. How would you have handled this situation?:

 

The cop in Tulsa has been charged with manslaughter. Facing a max of 4 years.

 

No, I don't think that's the purpose. I think they're saying any black male that runs isn't automatically assumed to be guilty of a crime legally in the court. Like running in itself isn't automatically a crime in Massachusetts, but they may still get popped for something else.

Michael Brown was just the straw that broke the camels back, not the reason for BLM.

BLM started because blacks were getting killed way too easily, and still are.

 

Apparently she also has a history of drug use and domestic violence or something. I'll look for the article

 

Never mind. It actually sounds really benign. From the way they made it sound when I first heard of this, it sounded like she was still using on the job:

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Cop Who Shot Terence Crutcher Has History Of Drug Use, Domestic Disturbances
Aren’t these the characteristics that describe a “thug”?
09/22/2016 02:54 pm ET | Updated 1 hour ago

Lilly Workneh Black Voices Senior Editor, The Huffington Post

A federal investigation is looking into the police shooting of Terence Crutcher in Tulsa, Oklahoma, which has also prompted a deeper probe into the history and past conduct of the cop involved in his death.

Officer Betty Shelby, a white woman, fatally shot 40-year-old Crutcher, a black man, on Friday after she stopped by his vehicle, which was stalled in the middle of the road, while responding to an unrelated call. Crutcher was later tased by another officer just seconds after Shelby fired her weapon. Crutcher’s family seek criminal chargesagainst his killer but Shelby’s lawyer said she fired her weapon because she feared for her life, despite the fact that Crutcher was unarmed and had his hands raised when he was shot as seen in video footage.

The shooting, which is one of the latest in a string of cases of police killing black men and women has gained nationwide attention and Shelby’s past work history is now under heavy scrutiny. As a result, more information, some disclosed by her attorney Scott Wood, released this week on Shelby’s background and personal life that could help to paint a more complete picture of her.


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Officer Betty Shelby of the City of Tulsa Police Department in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Shelby joined the Tulsa police force in 2011 after she became a deputy for the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office in 2007, according to NBC News. Her husband is also a police officer and was on duty the night Crutcher was shot. In fact, Shelby’s husband, Dave Shelby, was in the helicopter that flew overhead and recorded the moments leading up to the shooting, which was released by the Tulsa Police Department on Monday. In the video, an officer is overheard describing Crutcher as a “bad dude,” however Tulsa police spokesman claims Dave did not make the comment.

Shelby has divorced and been re-married at least once. According to the job application she submitted to the sheriff’s office in 2007, the new wife of Shelby’s ex-husband noted that she filed a protective order against her in 2002 to help put an end to harassing phone calls she claims Shelby made to her. The order was eventually denied and Shelby maintained her innocence.

Nearly a decade earlier, Shelby also noted on the same application that she experienced a breakup in 1993 with her then-boyfriend. She said the split led to the two damaging each others cars and that temporary restraining orders were filed, which were eventually tossed out.

Shelby is now a drug-recognition expert, which Wood said she underwent training for, and she said she believed Crutcher was under the influence when she encountered him. Police said they later found PCP in Crutcher’s car but he is not the only one in the case who reportedly has a history of drug use. According to the same job application where Shelby noted her domestic disturbances, she also marked “yes” under a prompt that asked whether she had “possessed and used illegal drugs” in the past. Shelby said she used marijuana twice when she was 18 years old.

Shelby also has two excessive force complaints, according to KJRH, however both of those cases were claimed to be unfounded. KJRH also reports that Shelby has four letters of commendation as well as an Oklahoma meritorious service award.

More information on the shooting case is expected to be released as the investigation continues. However, Shelby, who is currently on administrative leave, is now a rightful target of the same scrutiny and investigation that many minority police shooting victims have experienced in similar cases. But those who knew Crutcher best are able to truly tell the story of who he was and what he stood for.

“You all want to know who that big bad dude was? That big bad dude was my twin brother,” Crutcher’s twin sister Tiffany said at a press conference following his death. “That big bad dude was a father. That big bad dude was a son. That big bad dude was enrolled at Tulsa Community College… That big bad dude loved God. That big bad dude was at church singing with all his flaws every week. That big bad dude, that’s who he was.”
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...tic-disturbances_us_57e3f0f8e4b08d73b82fd9ae?

 

Like this situation?

Officers can flat out lie about what goes down in these situations and send innocent people to prison or shoot them dead. If it were as simple as not following orders, this wouldn't be happening at an alarming rate.

Parodies like this exist for a reason, there's truth in humor

 

I agree with this to some extent. Children these days are being raised in a way where a lot of parents are giving them "freedom to be who they are" and not providing structure...which kids need. I believe online trolling/harassment started on the internet where you could hide behind a username, but it is slowly creeping into our society to where people will actually just say stuff causing more confrontation. You also have a media that has completely FAILED us as a country where rather than reporting news, they report pieces of a story that they create a narrative around to push an agenda that is more interesting to get viewers. All of these things lead to more anger, more anxiety and more stress which in turn leads to more challenging confrontations.

 

I posted this in the Music thread, but feel it's appropriate here too.