To Serve And Protect

What could you possibly mean by this? I don't mean to sound attacking. I'm genuinely trying to understand.

 

So i watched the video, and I'm not defending the shoot because the shoot is always based on what the officer was feeling at the time and she has to articulate why she shot him, so that's still in the air... No shoot will ever look good, how can someone getting lit up with bullets ever look good?

So the call was about a man that parked his car in the middle of the road, it appeared he seemed under the influence of something. When the Officers said he looked dangerous he was on something, that's referring to his state of mind, that's not having a bad preconceived notion of the subject, that's just giving other officers a bit more information on what they're dealing with when they arrive.

Backup was on its way, they had lethal and non-lethal cover already because obviously something is wrong with this man. They had their weapons pointed at him, giving him commands to get on the floor, instead he put his hands up and began walking toward his car. Now, if they had shot him at this point, it'd be awful, there's no movement to indicate he was a threat yet.

Now he got to his car, he had AMPLE, let me repeat that, AMPLE time to comply with Officer commands and he still refused to. Now he didn't reach for the door handle, he reached inside of his car through his open window, now that's time to decide, do you wait to see if he pulls out something or do you take some sort of action. That's where the Officer taser him and shoot him at the same time. The officers would have to be interviewed on why they did what they did...

Now Barnes, the excuse that he was scared he was going to be shot for complying so he decides to reach in his car for whatever reason is a terrible excuse, really terrible, whether your black, green, white, brown, pink. You don't run from police, you don't give police a reason to shoot, you don't give them a reason to be on the edge, and you comply, you'll be taken into custody and things will be sorted out. Whether he was guilty of something or not would've been determined after he was safetly taken into custody. If this excuse was valid, it'd set a very dangerous precedent.

The number one thing about police work is getting home safe back to your family... If a man, such as this, wants to put himself in that situation, sadly where he is shot and killed, then so be it, if it means going back home safe. In my honest opinion, given the same circumstances, if I had taser, I would've tasered him right away, but I dont, and if all I had was my firearm, I'm using it.

 

First thing is safety buddy. After a shoot you retreat and try to determine if there is a threat inside of that car. So you get back up, clear the car and proceed to render medical aid. When you get into the police business, this is a standard procedure. We had something similar, our PD just recently had a shooting where we shot this dude multiple times. He goes down, we retreat and he's literally on the ground for like 20 minutes before we can render any kind of aid because we weren't sure if he had any other friends in his car or apartment. It's a safety thing.

Does it look bad? Hell yeah, but police work will never ever look pretty. It's not supposed to.

 

like people are being programmed to resist authority I meant this for all Americans, regardless of race.

 

Gotcha. That's not really how personality traits work though. Innate is such a cop out, imo.

 

Food for thought. Not justifying or excusing one side or the other:

 

At this point, he has person who was shot and happens to be black.

It's just more fuel to the fire if it was the shot was made based on race or not. It's happened and there's nothing to change it.

I would assume that they checked him while he was talking to them at the squad car before he was walking back with his hands up. So they had AMPLE time to use non lethal ways to incapacitate him via taser, tackle, handcuffs, before he even got close to his car. Is it not protocol to handcuff him if he was charged with something?

 

I've never said cops shoot blacks more cause of the higher rates of black on black crime, I used that stat to point police have more violent confrontations with blacks because they commit violent crimes at a grossly higher rate than most other races... Meaning there are naturally more contacts with that particular race....

Once you get into the business, you're gonna learn. At what point do you do your job? Are you really going to let someone else dictate how a contact is gonna go? That's why I don't like the excuse you're making, it sets a dangerous precedent... It'll cause a lot more shootings and uses of force...

 

I agree, let's look at it as a shooting, you add race and it just continues to add fuel, which is really unnecessary...

No he wasn't checked before the camera started rolling, he was on something and you have that large dude vs the small female deputy... Sure she's trained, but again, there's always bigger stronger people.

No it's not protocol to cuff someone when they're charged... Police don't charge people with crimes, we make arrests and determine if a crime has been committed... The DA is the one who decides whether to press charges.

There's only one reason why the shoot looks bad, she had a taser right next to her, and she still shot. I feel there wasn't much communication when the other officer showed up next to her and that's why she ended up shooting.

The second deputy that was on the video wasn't with her the whole time, he showed up just as the video started.

 

Regarding sending the deputy to jail, while I agree there should be some punishment for being negligent, I don't think jail is the answer...

Here's the thing, if you send cops to jail for these kinds of situations, tense, split second descions scenarios, you're gonna drop morale, you're gonna have people who don't wanna be cops, you're gonna lose a lot more cops, and cops that are in, are not going to wanna take action because they're afraid of what could come... No amount of training can prepare anyone for unexpected things..

Now if a cop was ill in intent and it can be proven, he'll yeah, send em to jail. if it's something that's so blatantly bad like the one in I believe it was in South Carolina? Yeah... But something like this? I'm not sure