Presidential Election Aftermath: What Now / What Next?

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  1. therealdeal

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    I can't imagine we could get that far before economic collapse. There's just no way. I feel like we're propped up on toothpicks as it is.

    As a salesman it helps to see what they're taking out of my commission checks. Shocking sometimes, but it keeps me angry and grounded about tax issues.
     
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    What? Even I can't believe Hillary did this

     
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    I am literally without words regarding the thought that quite possibly the next president of America has been taking money from a corporation that has been supporting ISIS just for corporate gain... My God what is going on...
     
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    It's okay. The media will give her a pass.
    Just watch.
     
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    If by give her a pass, you mean not bring it up at all, then you are likely correct.
     
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    Several years ago an Iranian scientist defected to the US and gave us Intel on the Iranian nuke program. Years later he went back to Iran and claimed we kidnapped him. You can decide for yourself if he defected or was kidnapped.

    Fast forward to the Wikileaks Democratic email releases. In one of them, Hillary told someone "our friend needs to go back home" in reference to the Iranian scientist.

    This weekend Iran executed him for being a traitor.

    IMO, Iran, Wikileaks, and Hillary are all responsible for his death.
     
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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/evan-mcmullin-independent-presidential-campaign-000000187.html

    This is interesting.

    As far as Hillary becoming president, it really isn't just the Democrats fault or the media's. Conservatives pushed Trump to the front of the Republican line. That's on conservatives. If they would have pushed any milk toast republican to the front, he/she would be able to point to Hillary's transgressions far easier because he/she wouldn't be forced to defend themselves 24/7.
     
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    I'm not sure it matters who is president ...... it is those who surround the president within cabinets that influence the direction we take on all fronts..... that unfortunately is dominated by a revolving door of the same theories no matter who you vote for. Neo conservatives dominate foreign politics, a banking cartel along with their corporate front men dominate fiscal politics. The race for the spot is nothing more than a bad movie re-runned for the masses to feel as though change is truly possible without breaking up the current state of politics and the financing of that politics. Warnings over the years have gone to deaf ears..... we are paying for a course that was set a long time ago. Since the ramping up of this direction started in the late 70s we've had an actor become president, an impeached one for lying about a BJ, a president who invented words and a president who now is basically proven to be a wolf in sheep clothing pretending to be progressive in thought while being NEO-liberal thru and thru ........ what do they all have in common, the same financial backing and the same lame ideology within their cabinets ....... there has never been any change..... not in quite some time.

    Can change happen? can that position matter again? Not without true accountability, not without a true press, not without an truly informed public. Until that is truly understood that position will be nothing more than a used car salesman position selling the propaganda and ideas of the same old front men from the same old club.

    Hilary is the ultimate face of this bankrupt system unchecked (zero accountability)
    Trump is the dangerous anger building up represented in a celebrate form

    the true answer will most likely have to come out of the 2 party system with the b***s to be held accountable..... something that is nowhere near close to happening in the U.S. With the U.S being the only legit true superpower of the world this is a concerning matter for all western countries and the world as a hole IMO.

    I suppose if I were an American able to vote I would plug my nose and vote for Trump..... why? one simple answer...... neither the democrats nor the republicans will work for him..... it slams on the breaks and forces more discourse..... a Hilary backing puts them back at full speed in a direction that is dangerous to everyone in the world IMO.
     
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    I agree with almost all of this. The other problem is I think the online world with Twitter and Facebook and everyone having a blog has created an atmosphere so toxic in the general population, no one is willing to come off their stance. They will dig in their heels to the point where I honestly think it would almost take video of Hillary shooting a 3 year old in the head to get her base and the media to turn on her. And even then, I think the reason some of them would turn wouldn't be because of the video, but because she can't win in prison. The online world manifests the us vs them mentality in everything. Each party has their own "state supported" network where people flock to the channel that reinforces their beliefs.

    I lean right and libertarian. I have good friends who lean left. When you are in the same room with them you can talk and disagree and still be friends. Online you disagree with some faceless troll and it boils over into hate filled rhetoric where everyone repeats the same talking points. We aren't getting out of this I'm afraid. The US is doomed to become at best a shell of it's former self.
     
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    I agree.....

    I don't think discussion and a spotlight on things should be feared..... it is needed in order to move forward IMO. Fear sets in when there is reluctance to discussion and a sense of nothing can change..... change can happen, but before it does you first must discuss and recognize the root cause of the symptoms you face. There is a transparent issue at hand, we are far more educated today to handle and discuss these issues than times past. It's time for those discussions now, especially with a shift in demographics that are taking place...... these discussions must take place now.
     
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    Because they think, eh, it doesn't personally affect them. They just want their marginally progressive laws to pass and to prevent Trump from winning. That's it. Nothing will change their minds. Having their employer pay for birth control is the most important thing in this election. Who cares what else Clinton did, as long as she's not shooting people on the streets.
     
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    So some guy from the DNC who is rumored to be the source of the WikiLeaks stuff died a few weeks ago. He was killed. In a "robbery". In which nothing was taken from him.
     
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    There is a rather long list of folks who crossed the Clintons and are now dead. Who knows how credible it all is, but there was a doc about it years ago.

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    I kind of treat the Clinton faction on Orwellian terms...... what ever they say think the opposite of their true ideology....... very dangerous times in the US right now. I don't think a choice between Trump and Clinton is much of a choice at all...... the revelations of what the DNC did to Sanders and the controlling of the message you get hear.... or the rules to be part of the debate shows there is no intention to allow choice to exist in the first place.

    I think as a new generation comes to age this is being brought to light.....

    A Hillary presidency is every bit as dangerous, if not more dangerous than the Trump danger the democratic party and media are pushing. One has talked about vulgar actions, the other has shown you very vulgar actions in their (Clintons) time in politics.

    I always tell people in talking to them that Hilary is nothing more than a right wing republican in a blue skirt...... from her foreign policy, to her ties with the financial sector. The Clinton's and slick Willies "New Democrat" movement was nothing more than a coup de ta and takeover of the Democratic party.
     
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    Dislike Hillary, but I probably will take her over Donald Trump in the general just on SCOTUS picks alone. That and I don't want our nuclear codes at the hands of a loony toon.
     
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    Ordinarily I'd agree with the nuclear codes part, but Hillary is a freaking Hawk. She's more hawkish than many Republicans. Does that make her more likely to get ticked and use them? Probably not. I'm not voting for either, but Hillary scares me in ways that are very different than Trump. She has shown she has no problem using her office to go after people. Give her the presidency? I feel like the Clintons ARE the Underwoods from House of Cards. Too many people have died around them to be a coincidence.
     
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    Trump, Hillary, and Obama do NOT have the nuke codes. It takes an act of Congress to declare war. It takes military leaders (4 star) to even think about using Nukes. It's not like Trump or Hillary are just gonna get offended by something they see on Twitter and push a red button.
     
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    Well until there's actually concrete evidence that she was complicit in murders and is indicted, i'm still picking her over Donald "torture even if it doesn't work" Trump.
     

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