To Serve And Protect

My point continues to be that statistically, evidentually, and factually, too many cops opt for the most extreme option when dealing with blacks regardless of if the black person complies or not. This is a case of such. He could have just given her a ticket. He chose to twist her arm, handcuff her and arrest her.

It might have nothing to do with race in this instance, but statistically there's a problem with doing this kind of thing with blacks. There's an inequity, so you don't get the benefit of the doubt.

No, because this simply isn't a recurring theme that happens to whites disproportionately. This is why Black Lives Matter exists.

 

How could he just give her a ticket when she is calling 911 and steps out of the car? She needs to hand him her information which she isn't doing. He needs her license, insurance etc. She's on the phone. It's not like a parking ticket that he can leave on her windshield. She got out of the car and you can see he has his cuffs out and points at her car. She starts to go back and get in and he puts the cuffs BACK in his pocket. But even then she continues to talk about being threatened on the phone. And by the way, she turns her back to the cop several times. If you are ACTUALLY feeling threatened by someone, would you just turn your back to them? C'mon man.

The statistical problem can not be allowed to interfere with their job. Just because there is an inequity doesn't mean you treat black people with kid gloves.

I'm not going to get into the disproportionate issue. Crime is higher in minority areas and there is a higher cop presence. So we could run round and round with the chicken or the egg argument. I agree that blacks are dealt with more "forcefully" than their white counterparts. But this was completely within normal force for a cop. I would actually argue with the way she reacted he could have been a more forceful and still been justified. We can't get to a place in our society where because someone is black the cop has to tip toe around everything they do and not do their job. Like dariver said, "does he allow the subject to run the traffic stop?" She did multiple things wrong.

I am honestly asking this to try to understand. Your last two comments make your argument seem like that because other blacks are treated poorly by cops (true in some cases) that this cop has to allow this woman (because she is black) to trample all over standard protocol when being pulled over AND physically resist arrest. He is still not allowed to use a completely minimal use of force to twist her arm a bit to get her into cuffs? I agree with you there is a problem, but we can't start looking at an unfortunate situation where some idiot lady thinks she is above getting a ticket and above using proper ticket protocol to fuel a fire that already has plenty of wood to burn. We want this fire to be extinguished through good police work and trust in the community. This is a non-story 2-3 years ago. Now, a completely logical chain of events takes place (person gets pulled over--->person acts like a j******--->person gets arrested but resists so has their arm twisted a bit) and it causes this type of reaction.

Does anyone know what came of this? It happened like 4 months ago.

EDIT: The cop was cleared of wrong doing.

 

You know what... that's a good point.

I think I'm going to have to admit I was wrong here, because you're right, she doesn't give him her ID, and she says the officer is "harassing" her and it doesn't look like it unless he has been tailing her for a long time waiting for her to make a mistake so he can pull her over.

I'm on my phone and this will take some time to answer, so I can't right now, but I hope to remember later (I tend to forget).

 

My unbiased opinion: I think the majority of the police are afraid of black people. I'll even take it a step further and say the majority of white people are afraid of black people. And if you throw in male, big, and darker shade of black, it becomes even more extreme. And I think most black people are afraid of the police.

I'm not saying all. But if we look at these individual instances from that lens it may be more clear.

Am I wrong?

 

I agree

 

I look forward to it. I'm not trying to fight. There are so many examples of cops doing horrible things, this just struck a nerve with me because I watched the lady do everything wrong and that nut on Young Turks made it seem like she was merely voicing a difference of opinion and yelled and screamed about the injustice. It bothers me because most people likely won't take the time to watch the whole video and actually observe all the things that were going on. They'll see the Young Turks guy screaming, skip ahead to where the girl is being cuffed and think he just arrested her for crossing a solid white line in her car. The reality is much different after observing the whole tape.

 

You are not wrong in my experience.

 

Because at every turn in modern history (because in ancient history black civilizations were excelling) blacks have been exploited and systemically oppressed as a resource for labor through slavery and into modern prison today.

For instance, the War on Drugs was created by Nixon specifically to counter the Civil Rights Movement. Crack was introduced by the CIA to US ghettos to fund the Contras. After slavery, they continued the cycle of poverty by locking up black men and use them as prison labor. Any blacks that didn't get locked up weren't allowed to move out of ghettos for a better life through racist zoning. Those are just a few examples, but this is not my opinion, these are all indisputable facts that still affect black communities to this day.

It's not that hard of a question to answer.

 

But it explains the fear factor. I would like to point out though that if I am around a black person in an office building and they are wearing business attire, I am not scared in the least. It doesn't even register they are black. Like dariver said, I think the fear is more of the culture. A lot of white people never come across an actual "ghetto" so they go off of Boyz in the Hood, Higher Learning and Dangerous Minds. Obviously there is going to be fear if someone's only exposure to blacks comes from those movies or gangster rap covers with jacked black dudes looking angry.

While I agree the deck is stacked against blacks (and hispanics in some cases) I think there is still a LOT of "holding back" done by the race themselves. My wife is hispanic and she married a white dude (me) and moved to Orange County. She is often called a coconut (brown on the outside, white on the inside) by her friends from her old neighborhood and made to feel like she sold out. Same thing with the whole "Uncle Tom" concept in the black community. People like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and other civil rights leaders rile the black community up whenever a camera is around because if the black community starts to integrate, they lose their power. A lack of education in these minority communities makes them far more susceptible to the kind of influence these "civil rights" leaders have.

This is something I wonder about, and correct me if I'm wrong. I wonder if blacks dominating the sports landscape also feeds into the "slavery" aura Barnes it talking about. Sort of like we send our gladiators out to fight and entertain us. For some reason I feel like Donald Sterling's "plantation owner" attitude manifests itself to some degree with a lot of people. I'll be honest, while I don't break it down by race in my head, when watching football, the people out there are just bodies. One gets carried off and another body with a mask comes out and starts throwing himself into the fray. There's something about football that makes me view all of them (black, white, hispanic) as pieces of meat. It's wrong, but with how often people go down in that sport, it's almost foolish to get too attached.

 

While that certainly exists, I think the impact is comparatively pretty minimal when looking at the effects of the Crack epidemic, and the school to prison system breaking up families and making kids grow up without fathers in their lives. Every culture has problems, but not all are equal in impact.

I'm most certainly going to be considered a traitor and uncle tom by some for joining the police force. Blacks don't trust the police, and consider them the enemy, and it's for good reason historically.

Here's the thing, I haven't heard any black person mention Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson as a leader since I was a kid. I honestly think the idea of Al and Jesse being black leaders is more the media telling you guys that they are leaders than many black people feeling like they look up to them as our leaders.

Well, it's a product to some degree because entertainment has always been a field blacks have been "allowed" to excel. There are a lot of connections to the access blacks have for certain sports, genetic manipulation through slavery, etc. etc... That's a topic in and of itself.

Back to this... I'm not saying she should have gotten a pass at all because she is black. What I was saying is that cops have a choice of how to react to an event, and a white person doing the same things she was doing would be much less likely to get arrested. Could they have arrested a white person too? Sure. But I've seen too many white people mouth off, get out of the car, yell at, and in general act an a** towards cops with little repercussions.

That's why I was saying he could have just let her go with a ticket.... However, that's before I realized she didn't give the cop her ID, and she said the cop was harassing her (which he didn't seem to be doing).

 

Punk, I used to totally disagree with you. And then I did research in school on this. You're absolutely right.

 

100% correct. That's just another manifestation of what I've said before. Black people in the US, whom had their cultures developed over thousands of years by normal means in Africa, stripped from them, and replaced by survival tactics as the driving force of our culture in the US in an attempt to survive slavery.

After slavery was abolished, many of the same mechanisms still existed and were perpetuated through religion, drug use, abuse, etc.

 

Both.