Presidential Election Aftermath: What Now / What Next?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Philosophy -(FORUM CLOSED)-' started by davriver209, Aug 11, 2015.

  1. Barnstable

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    There's a Podcast, I can't remember who did it, where the guy went over all the things she lied about along with her failures in foreign policy. I'll try to find it later.
     
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    I think a part of her failures in foreign policy is also her continuation of our friendly relationship with Saudi Arabia. To me that's a huge reason why we are in the mess that we are in. And that's on Obama/Bush too. IMO you can't be giving out weapons and cash to a government that fully supports Wahhabism, which is the cornerstone of Islamic extremists. That and the status quo with regard to Israel/Palestine is something I think Clinton did a horrible job at.
     
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    You're absolutely right @Azndude2190

    To add to this, why we invaded... errr.... led from behind in the overthrow of Kaddafi led, in great part, to the rise of ISIS. I still don't know why we had to dispose of him.

    We can talk about how bad Saddam and Kaddafi were (and they definitely were), but they managed their people and kept them from acting out. We screwed up there, and by "we" I mean Bush, Obama, and Hillary.
     
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    The reality is that outside of gay marriage, obamacare, and abortion, the last 16 yrs have been virtually the same. More war, more spending, less privacy, less freedoms, same antiquated very dangerous foreign policies, etc etc etc...same crap different party... or so they say...
     
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    ^^^ what changed on abortion in the past 16 years?
     
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    there is a continuing battle over the availability and to federally fund not fund abortion as well as the birth control battle in regards to obama care.
     
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    Okay, gotcha.

    In regards to ObamaCare, it passed, but I hear Hillary talking about a need for Universal Health Care. What does she want? The government footing the entire bill, or more taxes? I guess that's the same thing.

    Yeah, more of the same.
     
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    Well the reality is that Obamacare is not Universal Health Care, its some bastardized compromise of socialized health care and free market health care that has resulted in the worst parts of both forming a new Frankenstein's monster of healthcare where the government has become a middle man. In the end I would rather have actual socialized health care or free market healthcare instead of Obamacare.
     
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    The other thing that has dramatically changed was the national debt. But just a lil.

    :Fishwink:
     
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    Hypocricy of the media:

    MSNBC blogger Steve Benen, during the Democratic convention: "Khizr Khan's Words Won't Soon Be Forgotten." He said no speaker topped Khan for "sheer emotional weight and resonance."

    Ten days earlier, during the Republican convention, Benen's headline was this: "RNC Manipulates the Pain of a Grieving Mother for Partisan Gain." He called it "probably the lowest point a party has reached in my lifetime."
     
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    Oh it's been incredible tracking the difference in tone when presenting the RNC compared to the DNC. The media bias is clear. At least MSNBC doesn't try to hide it like almost every other news outlet.
     
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    Having said that, Trump has himself to blame. His responses have been horrible.
     
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    Oh I don't even blame them. :D

    That's maybe worse...

    What really upsets me is that no media outlet wants to even talk about how crappy BOTH candidates are. It's mostly a Trump bashfest in LA right now with some sprinkled in minor Hillary wrist-slaps. I'm just genuinely amazed at how many horrible things she can do and have millions cheering her name. It's terrifying.
     
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    The media is who I am most pissed at now. They have completely failed this country. There is no such thing as news and everyone has to give their opinion. Everyone has an agenda. The complete and utter lack of accountability is why we have people like this in the first place. If just facts were reported on politics, social issues, etc, we never would have allowed these types of wretched pieces of human feces anywhere near the most powerful office in the land.
     
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    Standard news outlets are as antiquated as representative voting.

    Kids nowadays are watching this farce, and they won't be getting their news from these corrupt media sources by the time they're our age.
     
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    ^^^ that is so depressing!!!
     
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    Online news shows, YouTube, independent news outlets like The Young Turks and Russia Today, blogs... you name it, but every other method of news dissemination is getting more popular right now.

    Imagine what it will be in 10-15 years when all the kids that grew up on the internet and information availability, get older.
     
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    I think those 6 companies will find a way (laws) to ensure they don't lose their huge chunk of the pie.

    Internet tax, youtube fees, less 1st Amendment rights, etc.
     

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