Timofey Mozgov Discussion: Shut Down For Season (66)

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  1. abeer3

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    or you could have played that game and been paying brandon bass 10 per to start at center...

    anyway, pretty sure you can't know what his market would have been had the lakers not been bidders. but ian mahinmi and bismack biyombo went for even more cash, and don't have as good a long term track record. his agent could be justified in thinking that had they held out a bit, moz could have gotten 70 million. just like fans can suggest that if the lakers held out, they'd have gotten him for 40.
     
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    All of the numbers are so absurd for relatively unproven or unproductive talent that it's hard to like it or agree with it regardless.
     
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    Yeah I know we all wanted him for cheaper, but there's absolutely zero evidence that he could have been had for cheaper.

    Joakim Noah- 4/72.59 million. Noah is older than Mozgov with a longer injury history.
    Hassan Whiteside- 4/98.42 million. Hardly any history of success in the NBA and questionable character.
    Bismack Biyombo- 4/72 million. Coming off of one great playoff series, but almost no history and also undersized.
    Al Horford- 4/113 million. All-Star, but a bit undersized for Center. I would have taken him for sure, but the price is nearly twice Mozgov.
    Dwight Howard- 3/70 million. Better than Mozgov probably, but was a heck of a lot more expensive and of questionable character.
    Ian Mahinmi- 4/64 million. Career backup, injury concern, same age as Mozgov. THIS is the clincher contract. THIS is what backups get and we got a starter.

    Al Jefferson- 3/30 million. I think this is probably too long for Al. The league is quickly passing him by. Weird signing for Indy.
    Kent Bazemore- 4/70 million. Insane, but this is the market.
    Evan Turner- 4/72 million. See "Kent Bazemore".
    Evan Fournier- 5/85 million. See "Evan Turner".
    Mike Conley- 5/153 million. Biggest contract in NBA history with no All-Star appearances.
    Ryan Anderson- 4/80 million. See "Evan Fournier".

    I mean Mozgov where he is at isn't perfect or ideal, but it certainly looks like market value to me.
     
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    I don't disagree, but the numbers are so crazy with the new TV deal other sports are jealous lol
     
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    Other sports.... especially the no DirecTV baseball Dodgers can go pound sand.
     
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    Mostly just NFL guys and they have every right to be. Their Players Union is the worst in professional sports. It's awful.
     
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    Great breakdown, real. I was more upset about him being our first call and signing in free agency when a guy like Biyombo was still available than I was about the money part. But I really believe they knew they had something with Zubac and they weren't going to overpay a one way young player like Biyombo when they had him to develop. Now everything makes sense. Mozgov fits the bill perfectly for a serviceable starting center who can fill in for the next three years while Zubac grows into the role. Mozgov will show him what it takes to be a pro in this league and do the fundamentals. It's just like Deng with Ingram.

    I don't love Mozgov's game, but his signing was actually a shrewd move given the price on these other contracts and the way he fits here. Can't believe I'm saying this after I was so disappointed initially! Good job Mitch!
     
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    Yeah I mean Mozgov is no world beater and definitely the shock of him being the FIRST big contract was something we all needed to shake off, but the market really does support the deal. Ideally you want an option on that last season, but I'm guessing Mozgov's and Deng's agent both said they wouldn't come without a guaranteed 4th year and you know what? That's okay. If Ingram and Zubac are everything we hope they are, then that four years will be the perfect time for Luol and Timofey to either move on and retire or move to the bench.

    When he's healthy Mozgov is a good fit in the pick and roll and he can do a decent job covering the paint. I know he's categorically claimed to be slow and cumbersome, but it's all relative. For his size, I've seen him out run a lot of his contemporaries. He's certainly a lot more mobile than Roy Hibbert was. Roy may have been a better rim protector, but he was atrocious offensively. Roy was one of the saddest Centers I think we've ever had. Weak hands, no touch, weak around the rim, constantly falling, not a great passer, inconsistent jumper... I think Mozgov will give us much better stability in that role even if he's unspectacular.
     
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    also, depending upon the cap landscape, the 4th year of those deals could be used to operate over the cap and trade for big salaries should the need arise.

    right now, expiring contracts don't buy much because everyone's under the cap, but maybe three years from now, we'll be back in a situation where only a few teams have max room each year.
     
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    The Mozgov signing stung not because it was objectively bad but because it was a wake-up call in the form of a splash of freezing cold urine rather than some gentle kisses from a sexy bedroom companion.

    All summer we knew durant was a long shot, but guys like Derozen, Horford, and Whiteside were somewhat delusionally realistic. Signing Mozgov at 1201 didn't give us time to process our loss of hope. It was a reality check and loss of hope right away.
     
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    I couldn't have said it better than this in a thousand years. Very well put, so clearly stated.
     
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    I definitely agree with that. It was... sobering.
     
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    On a scale of 1-100 this picture is 10,000 awkward.
     
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    Been thinking about it...but Mozgov averaging 10 points per game would be realistic. Most of the shots will go to Russell, Randle and Clarkson in that order. Deng will average more shot attempts than Mozgov. 5 shots a game maybe four to six at the charity stripe?
     
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    Derozan&Horford to me are overrated.. And IMO , wouldn't be great fits with the pieces we had going into free agency.

    Hang tight, Westb is coming next year that'll put the end to the wake-up call BS. All it takes is one.
     
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    i was asking since last year for the lakers to do what they did instead of chasing guys that 9 other teams were after.

    to quote andrew bird: ever since I gave up hope I've been feeling so much better.
     
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    Yep...football not worth the risk if you got the talent to play bball
     
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    I don't get why we're still trippin on the deal when once again, we have so much great talent on cheap contracts that IMO balances everything out or makes Mozgovs hit super easy to swallow. Only way I'd understand frustrations is if we have to start paying all our young pieces next year and were very tight on cap room.
     
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    Mozgov will be untradeble in 2 year, even in yr 4 i see us either taking bad contract for him or using assets to move him
     
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    Groin injury in a friendly game with Russia smh
     

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