To Serve And Protect

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  1. John3:16

    John3:16 Moderator Staff Member

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    He's a felon (and child sex offender) so no, he's not legally allowed to carry a gun.

    I saw his right shoulder moving and it appeared he was reaching for something, but I didn't see a whisker move on his body when they told him not to move so I don't know what the shots were for.

    Feds are investigating this for his Civil Rights being abused, so they have a good change of getting these cops. Getting them for manslaughter or murder is too hard (IMO).
     
  2. Barnstable

    Barnstable Supreme Fuzzler of Lakersball.com Staff Member

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    And now less than a day later this happens.

    I started crying watching this. How can anyone defend this? I try my best to understand that other people have different views, don't understand what it's like, or are detached because it won't happen to them and their family, but at a certain point, you're just racist if you condone this s***. They are killing us and it is about color.

     
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    These videos are so difficult to watch, and they just make me so sad and angry at the same time.

    These actions are absolutely inexcusable. These cops have absolutely no discipline and no value for life. They're trigger happy, and worst of all, some of them are just straight up murderers.

    Before anyone says that there are good cops out there, yes, there are. But imo that's irrelevant to this discussion. This is about the bad ones who are out there roaming the street freely without any sort of punishment for their actions. What we see is just the tip of the iceberg. There are just way too many crooked cops... and the good cops need to step up. If there are as many good cops as people claim, they need to step up and take some action. Otherwise, as far as I'm concerned, they aren't good.

    Stop helping these criminals disguised as cops. The longer they continue to protect one another, the longer the crooked ones continue to commit these crimes (which is a gross, gross understatement).
     
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  4. Barnstable

    Barnstable Supreme Fuzzler of Lakersball.com Staff Member

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    The man in the second video bleeding to death while his girlfriend records was named Philando Castile. They were pulled over for a busted tail light. He died from these gun shots.

    Where is the NRA? This man had a legal permit to carry a gun and was killed for informing the police officer as such.

    They aren't saying s*** about this.

    This. Is. Racism.... pure and simple.

    If this was a white man with a legal permit to carry a gun and shot by the police after informing them that he has a gun legally, as he is supposed to do, the NRA would be all over this case. Oh a black guy was the victim? Carry on. We don't care.

    I have never had much of an opinion about the NRA until now. Now that they showed very clearly that they only stand up for the rights of white people to own and carry firearms. f*** them and their racist a** organization.
     
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    Any discussion about bad cops should include discussion about the police unions and the politicians that are in bed with these unions. The unions write the rules that make it difficult to fire bad cops and hold them accountable. The politicians want the "supported by police officers" endorsement on their campaign ad, and will adhere to the stipulations that police unions ask for in return for the endorsement. These union bosses care about getting their cut of the union due. Fired police officers means less $$ in their pocket. If you want this problem to change, you have to go to the very top. Pointing the finger at the bad cop isn't going to change anything.
     
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  6. Barnstable

    Barnstable Supreme Fuzzler of Lakersball.com Staff Member

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    And here is the blow back from inaction.

    It was only a matter of time before some crazy person takes it upon themselves to dish out "justice" to the police since they refuse to hold their own accountable.

    "4 Police Officers Dead After Shooting in Downtown Dallas
    3 Dallas officers, 1 DART officer confirmed killed in sniper fire following protest, police officials say
    By NBC 5 Staff

    Four officers are dead, including three Dallas police officers and one DART transit officer, after two snipers opened fire on police at the end of a protest against nationwide officer-involved shootings, officials say.

    At least eight other Dallas police officers were hit, including three that are in critical condition; three additional DART officers suffered injuries that were not life threatening in the shooting.

    Dallas Police Chief David Brown released the following statement Thursday evening:

    "Tonight it appears that two snipers shot ten police officers from elevated positions during the protest/rally. Three officers are deceased, two are in surgery and three are in critical condition. An intensive search for suspects is currently underway. No suspects are in custody at this time. We ask that any citizen with information regarding the shootings tonight call 214-671-3482. We will provide more information once it is available. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers tonight."

    Just before 11 p.m. Brown said an 11th officer was injured in a shootout with one of the snipers.

    Dallas police released a photo of a man whom they consider a "person of interest" in the shootings.

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    Dallas police released a photo of a man considered a person of interest in the shootings in downtown Dallas.
    Photo credit: Dallas Police/NBC 5 News



    The gunshots rang out about 9 p.m. following a protest and rally held after two black men were died in police shootings in Louisiana and Minnesota this week.

    Scores of police officers arrived downtown following the shooting, which took place along Main Street between and Market and Lamar streets, a block from the Old Red Courthouse building.

    First Seconds: Protest Erupts into Gunfire[​IMG]A protest against nationwide officer-involved shootings turns violent in Dallas. (Published 28 minutes ago)

    A witness who posted video to Facebook said he saw at least three officers wounded near El Centro College. (Video is embedded below)





    Officers could be seen taking cover, and video from the scene showed people running from the sound of the gunshots. There is no word on whether any civilians have been shot.

    At 10 p.m. NBC 5's Cory Smith reported that Dallas police believe they have a gunman confined to a building and are currently negotiating with that person.

    [​IMG]Shots Fired in Downtown Dallas After Rally, Protest

    DART public transportation service is suspended in downtown due to police activity.

    NBC 5 has several crews near the scene. We will update this story when more information is available.



    Source: 4 Police Officers Dead After Shooting in Downtown Dallas | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worthhttp://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Pr...n-Sterling-Death-385784431.html#ixzz4DmrlUhJv
    Follow us: @nbcdfw on Twitter | NBCDFW on Facebook"
     
  7. therealdeal

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    And this is why I hate the narrative.

    Guess what? Now it's moved from perception to reality as far as "us" vs. "them". Meeting hatred with more hatred begets more hatred. It's the same reason I was upset seeing people get violent at Trump/anti-Trump rallies. Say it's true and cops are angry and racist and fear colored people. Reacting this way means you give them a reason to hate you! Now whether it was true or not (and it very well could be) it is 100% true now and it's 1000 times worse than it was before and had to be.

    Civil Rights (what this is about) was lead by Martin Luthor King Jr. and that man's lessons seem to be lost on today's generation (for both sides of the fence). I am not even taking a side, but the two people who are responsible for this are just as much monsters as the people they're rallying against.
     
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    11 officers now shot and 4 dead.

    Stay safe folks and aware of your surroundings.
     
  9. Barnstable

    Barnstable Supreme Fuzzler of Lakersball.com Staff Member

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    So the person the media has been plastering all over every station, identifying him as one of the shooters in Dallas, Mark Hughes... apparently he wasn't a shooter. How does the media get this s*** this wrong?

     
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    Video of the shooting:


    It sounds like a warzone.

    Mark Hughes is not the shooter. Here is the video clip of him giving up his gun:
     
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    . The ignorance of the public is at an all time high right now. The ignorance has spread to my city as well, and people are acting irrational... It's getting rough out there for us right now. Just a few hours ago, we were dealing with some hostile people who cursed and screamed at me and my partner that we were racist as well and we wanted to kill them cause they were black... It's a shame that a few individuals decided to lash out in violence
     
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    Stay safe man. Everyone is scared and could lash out. I'll be thinking of you.
     
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    Good man to turn himself in. I'm guessing he looked suspicious in the video of the first incident? I have no idea. Good for him though to get out ahead of this and clear his name.
     
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    It was a busy week... Lots of emotions running high. I've seen some stuff but man, this week really took the cake. I'll try to make this short cause there's not much to say on the 2 shootings of these two guys the past week. The first one in Baton Rouge.. Dude was a Felon, had a gun. When they were wrestling with him, he tried to go for it, and was shot. Tragic, but justified. I'm sure it wasn't cause he's black....

    The 2nd one, I don't know much of. We just have a video of the girlfriend taping the aftermath of the shooting and saying her side of the story. I can't say anything for either side. On one hand you have a traffic stop that went bad, how did it? Then you have an emotionally charged driver who's man was just shot, but just inexplicably takes out her phone and begins recording. Really weird circumstances. Does anyone have any further updates on this one? Cause I'll admit, this shooting was a bit questionable. And again, I'm under the belief this wasn't racially charged, but perhaps a lack of training...

    Then the Dallas shooting. Tragic, but sadly stuff like this happens with the mass shootings and stuff, it just happened to be Law Enforcement. It was a crazy man, who just used the anger the media and public have created with this racial division crap.

    You guys know I'm a cop and I have an inside look of tons of departments. We have no idea where this racial tension is coming from, though we must say, alot of those departments down south have some piss poor training and we've been sending people from our dept. and others here in California to assist them in whatever way we can.

    I can say this on behalf of my experiences.

    People use this BLM narrative and take advantage of it. On several occasions, I have dealt with criminals and their homeboys, and once we established they were under arrest, their friend will record and we'd be fighting the dude.... And that's all that would be captured, us fighting. They'd yell he didn't do anything (when he did, just not captured on video) and they'd post it on their webpages or youtube. I've been to internal investigations 4 times due to this. And it wasn't even the people who were involved in the situation that complained against me, it'd be people who have watched the video...... For claims that I was a racist Hispanic and I hated black people.... Well I'm sure this board knows I'm far from a racist, I don't need to explain myself.

    Even with statistical data from national studies that suggests there is not a racial disparity among police shootings, people and the media don't listen. So I've given up explaining and trying to debate this topic. It's a topic that's emotionally charged and emotion trumps fact. I'll always give my opinions on shootings, but I''ll stop trying to debunk the claims of black hating cops because there's really no point anymore.
     
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    The media gets a lot wrong....
     
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    What statistics are you talking about?
     
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    John3:16 Moderator Staff Member

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    Question wasn't directed at me, but I've been looking into this a lot lately.

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States


    After looking at these stats, please remember this:
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    My unsolicited opinion: the narrative is that more blacks are shot than whites. That's simply not true. But, when you consider white people make up 70% of the population and blacks make up 15 - 20%, there is a disproportionate # of blacks being killed by the police. We can discuss the reasons all day (I have ideas, but nothing I'm not willing to discuss and change my opinion on), but the fact is blacks are being killed at a higher %. This is not open for discussion.
     
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    The other fact that a lot of people don't understand is in the grand scheme of things not that many people of any race are killed by cops in America. It's somewhere between 900-1200, ruffly double the homicides in Chicago the same year. I am not saying that it's ok for that to happen and one unjust killing is way too many, but its often drastically overstated. Within those stats its also clear black men are disproportionally killed more than others. This stat also does not cover other institutional racism.
     
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    Yeah, I never heard any statistic that didn't reinforce the truth. It all points to blacks being killed disproportionately to our percentage of the population, even when you account for actual criminal deaths. If the person dying is unarmed, or the death is sketch, they were probably lack.
     
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    That's why I find this all so hard to deal with. If you don't see this issue, you simply aren't looking.
     
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