Official 2016 Free Agency Thread

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  1. KareemtheGreat33

    KareemtheGreat33 - Lakers MVP -

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    We'll probably end up with Speights when the market dries up for him
     
  2. Savory Griddles

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    We will have more wins than the Warriors will have this season.

    Once you tally up our next 3 seasons combined...
     
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    side note-


    It's hilarious seeing Spears come up after Woj on about 85-90% of these "breaking" stories. I can almost feel his frustration.
     
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    I wouldn't mind getting Sasha back as he can and has played both guard positions. That would give us 4 guards that can slide in at either spot with Calderon being the only one that couldn't play the other spot effectively.
     
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    From this list I'm still interested in: Meyers Leonard, Shane Larkin, Tim Frazier, Ray McCallum, Donald Sloan, Isaiah Canaan, and to a lesser extent Vujacic. Jabari Brown is also on my maybe list. I think Willie Reed is headed to San Antonio or Golden State. Hickson would be okay too. Thompson is uninspiring for me.
     
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    I really wish we snatched Thornton up. He got pennies compared to others. He has some great stretches last season.
     
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    Meyers Leonard would be an excellent fit here. A stretch 4/5 with a bit of chip to his game. Though, it'd be hard to justify his signing unless we look to move someone like Nance with spare minutes behind Randle and Moz/Black, unless Tarik gets left out again.
     
  8. therealdeal

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    At this point given our rotation, I'm not sure we need another big piece but I'm also all about acquiring talent. If we think we can get Leonard at a good price, then I'm all for it but otherwise let's just roll with what we've got and save the money.
     
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    The only lakers move that has made sense thus far is Deng.

    Why trade for Calderon if you're going to re-sign Huertas?

    Why overpay MOZGOV at 12:01am when EZELI just went for less than HALF of the amount and YEARS than Mozgov?!

    I am giving the Lakers a D+ for their off-season thus far. Very very disappointed in what our FO came up with.

    If we sign Gooden and let Bass walk to another team for a small 1-year deal....I'll change my grade to a D.

    I don't see us doubling our win total at all....I see marginal improvement...maybe 23 wins? We're still going to be pretty bad guys....
     
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    i don't mind jason thompson as 3rd string utility big.

    we have given jordan hill a big one-year deal before...
     
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    If the Lakers only win 23 next year, we are (bleep).
     
  12. trodgers

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    If it's not a rhetorical question, I'll give it a shot - why Mozgov rather than Ezeli. There are lots of reasons. I'll be back with the details.
     
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    I think if they were both getting the same amount of $, you could make a strong case for why Mozgov over Ezeli. But Mozgov got twice the money AND years on his contract....so that is where I take Ezeli for 7.5M versus Mozzy at 16.25M. And...Ezeli had a better year than Mozgov...so there's that.
     
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    Oh and Ezeli is younger by 3 years....so there's that again.
     
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    The only thing I'll say is I think maybe Ezeli wanted to go to a young team that was already in the playoffs....so maybe he didn't even give us a look because we were so far from the playoffs. I'm going to keep telling myself that to make myself feel better about this. I get that we signed Mozgov, we needed a center, blah blah blah. But did we really have to reach out RIGHT at 12:01 am when nobody else was bidding for him? Ugh. I'm getting frustrated again.
     
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    so...why did pretty much everyone pass on ezeli, forcing him into said "great deal", which includes a team option on the second year? i'm guessing knees. 16 million for mediocrity beats 8 million for nothing at all. gs completely fell apart when they had to rely on ezeli instead of bogut against top competition.

    now, if you want to ask why you'd pay biyombo 19 million to be your backup center instead of ezeli 8 million to be your backup center (orlando), then i'm listening.

    but the main point of my post is: what is it that almost every gm with cap space saw in ezeli that the fans and media missed. i'm guessing it's important.
     
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    Ezeli had a better year? He played in 46 games and logged 770 minutes. His 7/5 isn't obviously better than 6/4, better shooting, and twice as many minutes. Right?

    Ezeli will be 27 next season, and despite being drafted four years ago, he has logged only 2400 minutes in his career, including 1300 over the last three seasons combined. He has missed 158 of 328 games he was eligible for. These numbers raise three key questions:

    Can he get healthy?
    Can he remain healthy?
    What is he worth when healthy?

    The first two questions are closely tied together, and the answer has to be leaning toward "That's unlikely." After all, he's a huge guy, he has had one surgery on each of his knees already, and that's a bad combo.

    What is Ezeli worth when healthy? Another tough question to answer. He has started only 20 games over the past three seasons, and he has never averaged more than 17 minutes per game in a season. He's a competent scorer, at 11 per 36 including 15 per 36 over the last two seasons. He rebounds well, at 11 per 36 in his career and at 12 this past season. He was in the 21st percentile in PnR scoring (at .79 points per possession) despite taking 28% of his shots that way. He's a great shot blocker, at 2.5 in his career (but down this past season). He's not a good passer, but that's not his job.

    He's supposed to be a defensive stalwart, but he hasn't been above 40th at Center in DRPM. His DRtg was good, but both Bogut (who starts) and Jason Thompson (who doesn't) had better DRtgs this past season - both bigs on GSW. That's why I note them.

    Mozgov is by no stretch of the imagination an iron man - or at least he wasn't early in his career. But over the past three seasons, he has missed only 7 games, and he has averaged 21.5 minutes per game, 8.5 points, and 6.1 rebounds. He has shot as well as Ezeli ever has, is a better FT shooter, and his career per36 stats are 14/10. He's actually an excellent PnR big, finishing in the 80-something percentile.

    So, let's look at those three questions for Mozgov:

    Can he get healthy? Probably.
    Can he stay healthy? He has started to develop a history as a relative warrior (compared to Ezeli), playing much larger minutes.
    What can he offer when healthy? About as much on defense, more offense that fits the scheme. He's a veteran, too, and he offers a kind of stability that Ezeli doesn't.

    Does that mean he's worth THAT much more? I don't know, but I'm happier to have him than Ezeli. I can count on Mozgov for starts and minutes. I can't count on Ezeli for that.

    Ian Mahinmi is the player I think I'd rather have than Mozgov, for what it's worth.
     
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    That and his abysmal showing in the playoffs made him not even worth taking a gamble on. Why pay that much for a player who probably has degenerative knees and can't play?
     
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    Shaw coached him a couple years ago in his prime (late prime now) when the tissue in his knee from a "cyst excision" and shoulder injury were not issues like last year, and "wanted" him for what we are going to be doing this year and everyone loved him in Denver. What we are building here with the personalities mixed with needs.

    Luke saw him up close and personal as an opponent in his prime without the inflamed tissue and shoulder injury and "wanted" him for what we're building here.

    Who knew about Durant causing 6 or so players to be gone from GS??

    The Lakers FO religiously reads LB and knows how pissed we got the past 2 years waiting on impossible FA gets while other players that would have been very helpful got snaked by other teams.

    Ezeli's "real" knee issues?

    And Walton and Shaw really wanted him. TWICE.

    Especially with [​IMG] on the roster and our big man future, hopefully.

    All I got.
     
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    That's not even mentioning the fact that Mozgov is a rare veteran with low mileage on his body. He's a champion now and has been the Finals just last season meaning he literally knows what it takes to win in this league and can impart that on our young core. He's by all accounts a tremendous locker room presence which is absolutely vital after seeing the influence that Nick Young and by association Gilbert Arenas can have on young kids.

    Sure we overpaid a bit, but to look at Mozgov's deal and give it anything really below average is absolutely missing the point. It was an average deal for an average player that fits well with what we're doing. Plain and simple.
     
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