Official 2016 Free Agency Thread

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  1. Weezy

    Weezy Moderator Staff Member

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    Drew Gooden is still in the NBA? Hell no. I'd rather give a shot to an undrafted or summer league standout.
     
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    That gave me AIDS. Thanks.
     
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    :Kareemlook::KobeConfused::Randallconfused:[​IMG]

    Extra scratches on that comment
     
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    Sorry. Bad taste.
     
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    Yeah, why give a contract to a big man whose gonna be 34 years old while he's under contract with us?! ;)
     
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    Look fellas and ladies. We all want to be optimistic and hope for the best. Without going into too much detail and without going back to the Mosgov at 12:01 discussion, the Lakers free agency this off season is average at best.

    Last two offseasons, meh, sort of knew there would be a long shot for Melo and DA. However, this off season, I was fully expecting at least a stud at center who could do what Whiteside was doing or Horford. When the Lakers paid a bench warmer who averaged 1 point and 1 rebound for an entire playoff, 64 million, that takes the wind out of your sails. Luke advocating for him does make it a little better but not much. NBA players are not mysterious. They are what they are no matter who coaches them. Just look at Hibbert, Kwame, Samaki, etc etc.

    Mitch hadn't operated in stealth mode since the Nash trade so I was conditioned for him to do nothing on the low. And even so, are we suppose to jump for joy for Calderon? He is a back up PG, which is what we needed from a back up role, but I can not get excited for a player who cant play D on a team that is the worst in the league in that department and who's not exactly in his good years.
     
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    I don't know how people judge an offseason. I look at how a team objectively improved and how it improved relative to where it was.

    Objectively, the Lakers should be better in the starting lineup at every position, better in the second string at probably four out of five positions, better at shooting, better at defense, better coach, better schemes. They improved by taking arguably the best player in the draft and what is, by all accounts, a first-round talent in the second round. They added a starting center in a way that doesn't hamper us financially (pace what some have said, with little by way of argumentation), will help us offensively, and won't hurt us defensively. They added a veteran iron man, tough defender, who can score and rebound. They added a sweet-shooting veteran PG who can't play defense, but he's a ridiculous upgrade over Huertas. We even added a pick in the process. We retained every FA we should have - and let everyone walk we should have - with the possible exception of Bass.

    We are probably a team that should win twice as many games as last year. That's an absurd improvement. There's not really any scaled I can think of according to which this is "average at best" "if we exclude Mozgov." Blows the mind.

    If you think it's worse than a B-, I want to hear why.
     
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    MH back on a two year deal.
     
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    I haven been very critical of Mitch. The last two years have sucked. That said, I look at this roster as an upgrade, but Mitch has put himself in a position with assets for a potential trade.
     
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    I heard we were linked to Tyler Zeller at some point. Any word on that? I think it was Ramona Shelburne who mentioned it. I wouldn't mind that, but it would take minutes from the young fellas.
     
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    I haven't heard anything.
     
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    What does trading for a star include?

    Prime Asset (First-Round Pick)
    Secondary Assets (2nd round picks)
    Player(s) Could be 1 impact piece.

    Am I wrong? What am I missing my armchair GM's?

    I think we have the assets now to trade without sacrificing all of our young core. Reminds me of when we got Pau; not the pieces in a trade but the timing and feeling I get.
     
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    Agreed. I think it's a rock solid B. Draft pick is an A. New coach and staff is an A. Mozgov is a C. Deng a B. Calderon and one or two second round picks for nothing = B. Clarkson and Black re-signings are B+ to me. Huertas = B minus.

    The offseason started with a huge bang with the firing of Boron and hiring of Luke, and continued with getting that number 2 pick and landing Ingram. Then Free Agency hit with a complete dud in Mozgov, but quickly got better with Deng, our own re-signings and Calderon. While I was disappointed at the start of Free Agency, I'm pretty happy all around with how we improved and I think it will bare out with our win total this year. Most likely we double last years wins and that's exciting.

    Overall, while we struck out on big names (and I think we could have done MUCH better in the Center department), I believe we have created a great place to land if Westbrook wants to come home next summer. He's a perfect fit for this roster and I think Luke's coaching will also be attractive for him.
     
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    We didn't wait for any home runs and ended up solidifying every position on the team. I'm sure we tried as is evidenced by none of the big names even wanting to accept an offer of a meeting but we'll be a significantly better team than last year.
     
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    Deng - A
    Black - A
    Clarkson - A
    Ingram - A
    Losing Byron, picking up Luke - A
    Zubac - B+
    MH - B
    Not filling out the cap space with good players - C (I understand the max slot argument, but we aren't at that rung of the ladder yet)
    Moz - D+ (I'd consider going as high as C+ because I think it's an average move for an average player, but we overpaid by a lot so...)
    Calderon trade - TBD (If he doesn't get moved at the deadline for more assets what are you doing?)
    Nick Young stretch, trade or waive - TBD

    B overall

    Some really good moves, some questionable ones, but overall I think we moved up on the ladder. We are at the point where we moved on from being a really young bad team, to a veteran led team with young players that will struggle. The goal for next season should be to elevate the young guys to getting respek around the league and be a 35-40 win team. Then we can talk about moving up again and trying to make plays for better players.
     
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    You're lookin at it wrong. We're a team in a rebuild with young players in a competitive conference. Why would any player in their prime want to come into this situation?

    Mozgov was instrumental in keeping the Cavs competitive the Finals the year before. His size alone made caused problems for the Warriors.

    Calderon is a vet who is skilled and is plenty capable for the amount of minutes he will be getting. Not to mention he's an expiring contract and we got a 2nd rounder out of it.

    Beggers can't be choosers and we did VERY well given our situation.
     
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    ^We worked with the hand we were dealt with...young, unproven core coupled with a terrible 2016 season. As far as the Mozgov signing, Walton and Shaw felt his skills fit in with what we have. Whiteside was a pipe, Noah is injury prone [wanted New York], Horford probably did not want to be here, Biyombo was too raw for the coaches, Howard would have caused Southland civil unrest and the Durant signing came out of nowhere so Bogut was not even a consideration at the time. Even then, Golden State would not have accommodated us.

    The pair of signings being Deng and Calderon are more as complementary additions to the growth of the young core and to foster a positive, professional, focused culture.
     
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    Go after Crabbe!!

    I'd bump my grade up to a B+/A- if our final roster was....

    DAR / Calderon / Huertas
    JC / Crabbe / J.Brown
    Deng / Ingram / A.Brown
    Randle / Nance
    Moz / Black / Zubac
     
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    Wow. Festus got little. I'm shocked.
     
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    Super low number for Festus who played his way out of an ENORMOUS contract. His Finals was so awful I think he may have lost himself 40-50 million dollars and I'm not exaggerating that. Just truly awful. There was a time when I saw him mistime his jump for a rebound and then jumped in the complete opposite direction of where he needed to go. Just awful.

    Still that contract is a great value because he'll surely live up to 8 million dollars. I just find it strange since they've got a plethora of bigs who are as good if not better than him.
     
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