Official 2016 Free Agency Thread

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  1. Khmrp

    Khmrp - Lakers Legend -

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    I'd offer 4/48 to Mo, and 3/36 to Pau and call it a day....retain black, Huertas and maybe Bass if hes less than 9-10mill
     
    Khmrp, Jul 1, 2016
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    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

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    The whole point is we're betting on the kids now. We are building around them now. You want another summer like the last three? At best we're a 35 win team right? Is Westbrook coming here for that? We just saw that's not happening. We're now building around our kids. They will drive our win totals up more than Mozgov.
     
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    Time will tell Weezy. Most of us agree or disagree with the move. Either way lets move on to the rest of free agency.
     
    SFGOLDRUSHER, Jul 1, 2016
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    Depends on who you are maxing. Doesn't mean it will be 60+. And you can trade lou, nance if you have too or jc if you have too.
     
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  5. LaVarBallsDad

    LaVarBallsDad - Lakers Legend -

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    Although, GT wasn't too fond of the Mosgov deal when it came out; LOL. He seemed to love the Clarkson deal, though, but he's right. No Max FA's come to a team that won 17 games.
     
    LaVarBallsDad, Jul 1, 2016
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    Pau isn't coming. Might have burned some bridges last time he was here and he would be going to a contender, not a team in a rebuild.
     
    alam1108, Jul 1, 2016
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    Hey, it could be worse; we could be Dallas; striking out on free agent after free agent and stuck in medicrocrity. At the very least, we have 3 blue chip prospects, a 2nd rounder who turned into a starter and got a pay raise, and a couple of other 2nd rounders we drafted that are going to be rotational players.
     
    LaVarBallsDad, Jul 1, 2016
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    I'd LOVE to see how Mitch will spin this, especially Jim. I want to see how he can spin this as our step towards "contention" lol
     
    Khmrp, Jul 1, 2016
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    taking paycuts to contend hasn't worked out for him or west. Pay the man and let him retire where he belongs. He already has 2 rings, why be a desperate ring chaser now?
     
    Khmrp, Jul 1, 2016
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    My only point here, and one we aren't going to agree on, is I think we could have continued to bet on the kids while not paying an old injured center a lot of money. Why not split Mozgov money between Meyers Leonard and another guard? Solves 2 issues and we aren't saddled with a giant 4 year deal. That's all I'm saying here, if we were going to punt, spread that wealth around again on cheaper players and really bet on the youth. Mozgov isn't going to get this team any more wins than Hibbert did, we aren't close to a 35 win team right now.
     
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    "We signed, in our eyes, the best free agent guard in Jordan Clarkson. And on top of that, we've added championship experience in Mozgov. We really think we've turned a corner"
     
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    I don't think Pau is coming here either, but I don't think we burned bridges with him. I think they parted ways with him on good terms, we couldn't really offer what he wanted money-wise, and he just wanted to go to a contender and stop losing. That's, like you say, why he wouldn't come back here, if he's near the end he probably wants to play for a ring. Maybe if we threw the absolute max at him for a few years he'd consider it, but I don't see that scenario benefiting either side in any way except Pau gets a lot of money. He'd be miserable losing I think.
     
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    I do like Harkless, showed a lot in the playoffs.
     
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    He's 30's yr old bro, If he was 27 I wouldn't be sad about it. I know we need a C and build towards the future but a 30yr old avg. starter is not how your build your future.
     
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    So would you guys in favor of Mozgov be against giving Bazemore $20 - $22 million. We need a wing, and that's his market value.
     
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    Why settle for 2 rings when you could potentially win more. He's been attached to San Antonio, Portland, GSW. Why come here when those teams are after you? If he was going to come back here and retire he would have done it with Kobe.
     
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    That's a tougher pill to swallow. Parsons came around that price and I would've preferred him, so yes, I would be against it.

    Finding a serviceable center at Moz's price tag is a by harder.

    16-18 would be more reasonable for me.
     
    lakerfan2, Jul 1, 2016
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    I know it's pipe, but signing Pau and letting him retire in the P&G, and signing Moe Harkless would ease the pain of signing Timmy "6 points" Mozgov.
     
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    Well a couple things:
    1. We have no idea Leonard's value. He could end up being the same price or more. And then look at all the wings and what they're getting paid. Split what money? Most of these guys are getting even more than Mozgov! So we could pass on Mozgov and go after Leonard and someone and spend even MORE money for similar production. I also very much doubt Leonard gets us significantly more wins than Mozgov. Probably less even.

    2. Getting a veteran IS betting on the young guys. Like you said: Mozgov isn't going to win us a ton more games. That's because we're betting the kids will. We already have 6 or 7 guys that need development. Having a guy on the roster that will work hard regardless of the situation is important. Is Mozgov my ideal guy for that? Probably not. I'm not pretending this is a grear signing. My point is the money issue isn't really at play here. This was a market value contract. We werent going to get a similar player for cheaper than this.
     
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    like I said West didn't get his nor Pau....Pau lost out on at least 15-20 mill during the 2years with Chi with that pay cut. He's already done his paycut ring chasing stuff with Chi, I think he should go where the most money is, I'd be willing to give him 3yrs 40mill with tm opt after yr 2 or partial guarntee. 35yr old Pau>>>>>>>>>>>>30yr old Moz
     
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