The Official Byron Scott Coach Thread 2014-2015

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  1. Battle Tested20

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    just going to post this too. Especially the one where he decided to have Hill run out and at least make a threat to double team Harden to get the ball out of his hands. It really worked great and was a fine adjustment on Byron's part.
     
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    It looks like he might have been biding his time waiting for Nick Young to return. Or maybe Nick's return really has been that revolutionary for this team's outlook.

    Either way, with Nick back in the lineup Byron's offense looks better and the defense has improved. Can't be mad about the last two games except...

    Kobe's minutes are still too high. Some damn production out of Wesley offensively would help. The return of Ellington should help as well.
     
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    I remember Bryon Scott saying that all he need is 8 players playing on high level.
    and looking into the last 2 games - he was right. right now they have 6.5 (wesley as the half).
    if he's able to make a system where Boozer gets the ball on good spots.
    where Lin gets involved and has feel for the game - finding open people, hit the 3 when necessery and drive to the basket when left kinda open.
    where Hill gets open jumpshots and energy around the basket.
    and where Wesley knows his role - gets hands everywhere, get the steals, hit open 3 (don't expect more from him).
    Kobe will play on high level, and young and davis already proved that they preform each game from the bench.
    thats 7 players.
    the organization need to bring that 8'th player.
    if that happens there's no reason, on good coaching by Scott, that the team will not have an opportunity to win every game.
     
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    Very valid points guys along with good analysis. He needs to keep having the guys work on rotational/perimeter D. I believe if we stop all those darn 3's, we have a couple wins on the win column and going forward will continue to be the difference between a win/loss.
     
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    When you have a zone busting 3 shooting team like the Mavs and you challenge them to shoot by setting up a zone, that sir is stupid coaching. It's like having a staring competition with a statue or jumping out in front of a freight truck and yelling chicken. Oy vey, and i'm not even Jewish.
     
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    We play good teams and his flaws as a coach come out in full colors. His defensive concepts would get exposed in a junior high game. Truly terrible.
     
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    three point shooting doesnt win games
     
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    His defense schemes are play harder. The other side of the run run shoot more D'Antoni defense. I keep seeing Byron Scott as Louis Gossett Jr's character in "An Officer and a Gentleman." I think he may have used up all three pages of his playbook.
     
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    Byron may not be a walkover like Mike Brown, but he lacks the X's and O's knowledge to be an effective tactical coach.

    If Byron is going to be our HC, then we need to find him assistant coaches, and we need to insist that those assistant coaches be allowed to do what they do best. Just like Jordan and Frank were allowed to do in NJ.

    Byron may want us to play D and attack the paint, but I don't think he has the knowledge of how to implement this philosophy.
     
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    I don't care if Boozer has 80 points on 40/40 shooting. If he doesn't play defense, bench him. The same goes for Kobe. I love Kobe, but if he plays defense like he did today, bench him. I don't care who you are. You need to play on both ends of the ball.
     
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    If Kobe is playing that kind of defense, sit his a**. Don't let him take a stroll on Defense and work super hard on Offense. I love Kobe, I really do, but his play, along with the brilliant coaching of Byron cost us this game. We were in it until the end of the third. It's inexcusable.
     
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    Who was making all these awesome GARBAGE sigs? Was it lakersyunowin? I need one with Byron if possible. Thank You.
     
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    He's racking up a laundry list full of things that I don't like about him and we've only played 13 games.....

    1.) 3's don't matter - Get destroyed by wide open 3's every game
    2.) Zone defense - You don't play zone against 3 point shooting teams turd. Basically white flag for, we can't stop you man on man.
    3.) All talk - I'm going to start benching people for poor play, well then do it tough guy.
    4.) Kobe isn't playing more than 33-35 minutes - Proceeds to play him 12 minute quarters with minimal breaks in between
    5.) Where is Derek Fisher? - I thought Byron was hard nosed? Where is this tough love on Kobe this season when he's jacking up shots or needs to sit down when he's playing poor defense. Can we fly Fisher in when Kobe needs an earful?
    6.) Vet love - It's one thing to play vets over young bucks, it's another thing when the vets that are playing over young bucks that are better than them
    7.) Do you coach offense? - Kobe iso, big man with the ball up top and PG over dribbling isn't an offense, it's a waste of time
    8.) Will the real MDA please stand up - I thought giving up 130-140 points was only a MDA thing? The leave 3 point shooters wide open game plan isn't working, might want to switch it up

    That's all I got off the top of my head. I don't care if we don't have the talent to compete every night, but his offensive and defensive theory/game plan/fundamentals are seriously flawed in the worst way possible.
     
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    Lots of talking, not a lot of doing.

    Is he just a figurehead?
     
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    Byron, Byron, Byron.

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    He is...we're waiting until Ollie is tired of coaching college basketball so we could make a run at him.
     
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    Hard to argue against this Doc. Strong points. I'll give him the rest of the year. Lord knows we gave D' Antoni two seasons. But, yeah, I don't understand letting good shooting three point teams have open looks all night. And keeping Davis on short minutes makes absolutely no sense. Too much vet love for sure. I think the offense will look a little better now that Swaggy P is here. But inserting Davis would really help the starters to give Lin a p and r partner. Lin looks lost half the time with Booz. He looks great with Davis. They are really in synch. And absolutely way too many minutes for Kobe right now. Play Clarkson some of those minutes, Swaggy P, X, whoever.
     
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    Absolutely. Except that D'Antoni's philosophy will get you some wins, because once in blue moon your guys will get scorching hot and you can't do anything to defend that. Run, get a quick shot and hope it works. For some teams, it would actually work great. Deep playoffs, but probably no championship. Put MDA on the right team... he's a decent coach. Not great, but he'll do. If something goes wrong -- he'll experiment until he finds something that does work. Unfortunately for us (and him), the Lakers were simply not his kind of team, and on top of that he's probably not the most likeable guy in the world. He's certainly not Phil.

    With Byron's coaching philosophy it's a total disaster. It's all about defense on paper, but no one plays it. His offensive ideas would work on a team that has played together a long time, and not this random collection of veterans and newbies. Therefore -- you can't get hot with this type of offense, but to "compensate" for it, you play the worst defense in the league. Or if it's not the worst (I haven't looked at the numbers lately), then it's the worst for a Laker team, ever. Again, I loved Byron as a player, but this is probably not going to work. He's not a good coach, and I don't think he is the long-term solution for us anyway.

    But I'm OK with that for now, because we need to lose many games this season in order to get younger, better, and attract free agents in the future. We don't need to tank at all. Just reduce Boozer's and Kobe's minutes, sit Price, and play the young guys as much as possible. If you need more help, D-League is your friend.
     
  20. Barnstable

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    Question for all the Scott critics... how do you isolate the problem being Byron's defensive schemes vs. the terrible players we have on this team?

    As you all know defense is a team concept. What I'm seeing is our older and most terrible players turning their head and their man slips to the basket for an easy pass/layup, or being run off of a screen and the player that is supposed to rotate is slow to react, or botched recovery from a scramble on a play leading to an open three pointer, etc. I'm not of the opinion Byron's defensive philosophies are fantastic, but realistically, this is what you get when you have 3rd string players starting and playing big minutes. I've also seen some stretches where the players got in sync and switched properly and the defense looked really good, but that was with a very specific defensive lineup.

    Kobe- 36yo. Slower feet.
    Boozer- Terrible defender. Never been good really but terrible in his old age
    Wes- Dumb as a brick BBall IQ wise
    Lin- Average at best
    Hill- Decent man defender. Not great as a help defender. Little to no rim protection and light weight.

    That's our starting lineup folks. Terrible players make terrible plays. Perhaps a fantastic defensive coach might be able to figure out ways to polish a turd and make the team not look as terrible as they are, but I don't think it's realistic to expect it. Byron isn't a great coach so far, but I think the problem starts and ends with the players. If Byron was coaching a mediocre team they wouldn't look nearly as bad defensively IMO.
     
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