Official 2016 Free Agency Thread

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  1. trodgers

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    We could pay Deng up to about 20m a season with that scenario.
     
    trodgers, Jun 23, 2016
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    it's 6 per. but that's a below market deal for hawes, who i think could play in a system predicated on sharing the ball and that requires shooters. i'm guessing the only reason he's on the market is that charlotte has some guys to pay and kaminsky is sort of redundant with hawes.
     
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    We could pay Deng up to about 20m a season with that scenario.

    Btw, Deng, Marvin Williams, and Horford. If that's a possibility, I see the sense in it.
     
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    Why not bazemore instead? Deng is nice if we were in contention
     
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    Hawes could play the 5 and stretch the defense with his outside shooting. He'd fit in with Walton space and pace offense. It will also give more room for Randle to operate in the paint. Hawes is only 28 and not a geezer... He has a good all around game averaging decent numbers rebounding and average double digits in points.

    Conley? I'm on the fence with. He's very good and he could play in the same backcourt with Russell so you have two playmakers on the floor. He will also provide veteran stability as noted especially during crunch time. It will help bring along the former's development. Russell will still have his minutes but now Clarkson's and Williams' will be cut... However I think Conley will end up with a more contending team.

    Get both and it won't suck...
     
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    Because I think he is not good. He's at slightly above replacement level in the NBA. He's not worth a starting gig unless he's on a loaded team, and he's not the game model Deng is for Ingram. I'd start Ingram over Blaze.
     
    trodgers, Jun 23, 2016
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    You said...

    in which I answered "I did"

    And how many players with <15/6?

    I know you're trying to defend your point, but why stop at 3 years? Why not the past 5 seasons, which would make his averages 15.1 pts and 6.0 ast? You can set your rules and I'll play by mine. He's a 15/6 player this year, and in the past 5 years.

    Meanwhile Enes Kanter has a PER of 24 and Boban Marjanovic has a PER of 27. I see no indication of all-star talent there. Again, those are your rules that I can not agree to.

    Also, I have answered all your points, yet you have ignored my question of who is better between Odom and Conley.

    True

    Clear? Not to me it isn't. He's a good role player, perhaps even great role player, but worse than Odom.

    I agree, we need centers and wings first.

    Who says a role player can only do one or two things well? Modern role players are expected to defend, shoot, make scrappy plays and be versatile. I define them as supporting players that can't really lead a team.

    Yes, Conley was on the verge of breaking out and becoming a star 2 years ago. But he has plateaued, averaging 15/6.
     
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    I'll give you that. Sasha hit those two free-throws and iced one of the biggest games in Lakers history. He forever wrote himself into Lakers lore by doing that, and I'll be forever thankful. But that's about the only positive I can say about his time here in LA.

    As for Mihm, I wanted to like him, but he couldn't stay out of early foul trouble to save his life.
     
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    I like the Hawes with 22 idea. He's not a bad backup center. We have to fill out our roster with players. 6 million for a backup center is not a terrible price, especially with the cap jump. But I think I'd only do it if we could package that 22 with the 32 and move up further into the draft. IF we essentially give up the 32 pick and take on Hawes in order to move into the late teens, that's something I'd definitely do. Thon Maker at 18?
     
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    I'll try one last time. It might take a bit, as I'm in office hours.
     
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    You had me at "Maybe swap Nick."
     
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    He just came off a 11/5 season shooting nearly 36% from 3s with respectable D....i cant imagine giving a 30 something deng 20mill.
     
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    Didn't Hawes start for a majority of his career? I recall him doing so with Philly. Granted he is not imposing but Hawes did post decent numbers. If he is just a back-up for the squad, that leaves us still needing a starter with whom he can split the minutes with or at best at 60/40 ration. Thon Maker is an intriguing prospect though he seems to be a mystery. He reminds me of Jermaine O'Neal.
     
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    OK, doesn't have to be long. We both know each other's position on Conley. I'm just hoping you answer the Odom vs Conley question and the number of all-star guards with <15/6
     
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    There's reports thon maker isn't 19 years old but 23 years old and is most likely gonna fall out of first round.
     
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    That's a costly bite on our cap to get another draft pick we don't need.
     
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    Cha wants cap space not another dead weight player while also moving down....dont get greedy, at least try to think from perspective of other team
     
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    I said we could pay him up to that as a show of cap space. Deng just came off a 12/6 season, shot 34.4% from three and played excellent D. He's a better player than Bazemore, for sure, and we won't have to worry about what to do in a few seasons when Deng is old. Ingram will play the 3 then. Blaze would be another, more expensive, Lou - or Nick depending how things go.
     
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    We need a backup C as well though...who you getting that's better than hawes @ 6mill? I really don't want to see black or sacre as our backup C
     
    Khmrp, Jun 23, 2016
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    Never say never. #kwahmaybrown
     
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