Official 2016 Free Agency Thread

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  1. Khmrp

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    People worry to much about limiting dlo gm by getting a pg like conley. Steph had one of his best improved season when he and jared jack started togetherin the backcourt. It was that chucker Monta that hindered Steph early development. Conley isnt a chucker and would be a great player for russell to learn the pg play from
     
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    Sasha was always a player whose numbers belied how maddeningly frustrating he was. Streaky at best, and always counted on to blow it any time a play was important. I was as happy to see Sasha go as I was every other bum that littered our team from 2004-2008, be it Kwame, Tierre Brown, Laron Frofit, Von Wafer, Brian Cook, Radmo (god I wanted to kill Radmo), Brian Grant, Chris Mihm, etc. Sasha was always one of those guys to me. Only worse he managed to stay on for our championship years. I thought it was good riddance when he bounced.
     
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    It's not just about limiting Russell. It's that getting a PG is so down our priority list it's not something we should actively pursue. We need 2+ centers and 2+ wings. Getting a backup PG comes after those 4 slots, thus making Conley more of a luxury than a necessity.
     
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    Out of those, I liked Profit and Mihm, both got injured beyond repair unfortunately. Sasha also nailed those game 7 free throws, so can't complain really.
     
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    I disagree. Getting Conley (together with Horford or Whiteside) will get this rebuild quickly toward it's final stage. A team that could compete every night. People here are underestimating the value of leadership in the backcourt. Russell maybe talented but he is immature as hell, jumping around like a fool at the sidelines. He is still a kid. Conley brings experience and poise, someone who can right a ship in tempests, someone who can bring us home when the game is on the line.
     
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    ^I don't disagree with you about Conley. I just think most of us are willing to let Russell go through the growing pains and learn by playing. He'll make mistakes but this guy is looked at as a potential franchise cornerstone. The FO is banking on him becoming a stud and getting a guy like Conley will delay his breakout. We don't need to win this year or next. Let the guys develop and right around the turn of the decade we'll be back in this thing.
     
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    I'm tired of losing nearly 60 games in the next few years which we will without any leadership. Getting Conley cures that and allows DAR to develop. Two birds with one signing.
     
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    Conley is not my preference, but if you can get him and Whiteside, I think you have to do it. It's a star's league, and Conley clearly has the resume.

    I don't care about crunching Lou's minutes, btw. He's one-dimensional.
     
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    I disagree with the bolded. Signing Conley will most likely mean DAR gets moved to SG. While he can play it with his shooting ability it won't allow him to develop the skills he already has at a high level. DAR has great court vision and passing ability, take the ball out of his hands and into Conley's and he won't be able to develop those skills more.

    We have bigger holes to fill at Center and the wing positions, let's fill those up with quality players before we spend a max spot doubling down on the PG position.
     
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    Russell might have GREAT court vision or GREAT passing ability but nobody cares if he averages 3 apg.

    The question is can Russell average at least 7-8 apg tp justify being a fulltime PG? If the answer is no, there is no point to play him at the point (pun intended).
    I do think Russell CAN be a PG but so far he still owes me the proof. I know that he would be much more valuable as a PG, especially with his size, but do the duck test

    if he has the mindset of a SG, plays like a SG and shoots like a SG or doesn't have the speed to force the defense to collapse regularly to find open teammates, then he is a SG. I would take Conley without a blink. He is a proven floor general and at this point...beggers can't be choosers. The Lakers have cap space but so does every other NBA team and we MUST strike this year or we will be the laughing stock of the NBA.
     
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    for his first two years in the league, mike conley only averaged 4apg. last year, he averaged 6. but dlo needs 7 or 8 to be a full-time starting pg, and he needed to do it last year, or else have the franchise spend 25 per on a real starting pg, who averages 6apg?

    ok.

    also, rodg, it IS a star's league, and conley's not a star. he's very good, but he's more rich man's avery johnson than guy around whom you build a contender.
     
  12. KareemtheGreat33

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    You are not building around him. He will be a great piece to a contending puzzle and if one of the kids will blow up to superstar status, you got a wily vet like Conley as an adjutant.
     
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    Multiple all-stars, an all-D appearance. I think he's a star.
     
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    I take it back. He hasn't made an ASG. My position has been that he's not my preference, but I wouldn't be sad.
     
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    We remember pretty different Sashas.
     
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    That's exactly the point. Russell is not supposed to be very good, he is supposed to be a star. And I would say a star PG will do better than 6 apg....BTW stats are just supposed to be an indication...the eye-test says Russell is a SG who has very good handles and excellent passing quality but his first instinct isn't to pass IMO.

    Conley is a veteran, Conley is battle-tested, Conley is a good defender and Conley produces 15/6. He is an OK shooter but nothing special.
     
  17. KareemtheGreat33

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    The only reason he's not an all star is the west is stacked with great guards. But he is a two way point guard, a very rare commodity in this league of specialized skills.
     
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    But our young core is still years away from knowing if they will be stars, superstars or pieces on a championship team. If we were getting KD, trading for a proven player then I would of course welcome Conley cause we would be expecting to be contending right away.

    Right now we are rebuilding and Conley isn't the kind of player you build around so let's focus on developing the young kids and see how good they can be. Unless KD or Lebron decides to come.....
     
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    I understand but that would just be status quo. Continue our mediocrity, preserving cap space, no real progress. DAR is immature and won't lead a team anywhere at this point, my pining for Conley is for stability and leadership, something that was missing these past two years.
     
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    The point is the Lakers have cap space and that MUST go somewhere. It MUST.

    Would I prefer Conley to Durant? hell no.
    But I would feel more comfortable paying Conley 25 mio. instead of Byombo 20 mio. The Lakers don't need more talent, they need someone who produces...NOW. We can't sign stars because we don't have a supporting cast they feel they can win with now. People want to win now and they want proven players now.

    if we don't sign anyone....we might as well just FML, tank the next 5 years to see how the Russells and Ingrams of this world play in their mid 20s...thats nonsensical and this strategy has failed us the last 3 years.
     
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