Official 2016 Free Agency Thread

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  1. Battle Tested20

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    I'd still take Barnes.

    The price? That needs to be addressed if and when the time comes.
     
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    I've never liked Barnes and seeing his play in the Finals solidified my opinion of not wanting him on this team
     
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    Agree, his play was underwhelming. Just couldn't make those shots that were given to him especially tonight.
     
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    Barnes was given plenty of chances to step up for his team and failed to deliver. His performance was tough to watch.
     
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    Never wanted him, never will. Same with Ezeli. You can check my post history too ;).
     
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    I wanted Barnes but it was dependent on keeping the pick.
     
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    I would still take both, but not for anywhere close to Max money.
     
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    basically this

    barnes really unimpressed me with his play
     
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    i'll still take barnes, even at a pretty high price. he may have played himself out of a max in the playoffs, though. ezeli's not really starter material for me, so his price goes down to 10-12 per for me.

    but the playoffs actually didn't influence me very much. i wasn't super high on ezeli before, and i don't think barnes's playoff performance was as horrifying as it looks on a stat sheet.
     
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    Barnes probably cost his team a title, so...no thanks. He's Ariza without the clutch gene and heart, so he's not even worth Ariza money.
     
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    he has more physical gifts and basketball talent than trevor ariza (who has been oddly deified on laker forums, imo). he's also about 8 years younger.

    and players of his stature don't cost their teams titles. curry and thompson's subpar play cost their team a title. green's inability to control his emotions cost his team a title. nobody has gotten on iguodala for his various failings and screwups (of which there were many in the finals, btw), and that's ok: he's not supposed to win or lose the finals for you.

    btw, you know who really crapped the bed at about 23 years of age in the nba finals? james harden. he turned out ok.
     
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    Yeah ..... kinda

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    But you hate James Harden. :D

    I'm off the Barnes train, not because he's useless or anything but because his price would be too high to be useful. I think he's a fine role player, but that's it and his price tag this summer will be much greater than a role player. If he'd stepped up when his team needed a lift, I'm back in but because he didn't he solidified his mentality to me. If he costs you 10-12 million then I'm willing to talk but I'm betting he costs much more than that.

    Ezeli I want no part of. He was literally useless in the Finals. He was so useless Kerr went to Varejao who was also useless, just not quite as useless. Ezeli looked like a fish out of water. I don't want that guy on our team. Tarik Black may be smaller, but he's smarter and I'll take that trade off.
     
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    ive been neutral on barnes and now have decided i dont want him.

    ezeli on the other hand i have never liked, and this finals further cemented that opinion. dude just cant finish
     
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    First, I'm not deifying Ariza, he was a role played who was clutch, and made key plays in our '09 title run. He made huge steals in multiple games, and he knocked down his open threes, earning his spot, and his credit for that title. Harrison Barnes shot 5-32 in games 5-7 in this series. He went 2-14 in game 5, and 0-8 in game 6. If he it's a few more WIDE OPEN shots, the series may have ended in 5. If he hits just a couple more shots tonight, the Warriors also maybe win. Yes, this series is on Curry and Klay, but Curry was at least injured as was Iggy. Bogut also showed he was valuable in his absence. Barnes and Ezeili (and Varejao for that matter) were all garbage. Barnes missed gimme layups and wipe open shots 3 games in a row, those things cost teams championships. Shaw, Fox, Horry, Harper, Fisher, Ariza, these players MADE clutch shots and contributed to titles for us, Barnes screwed his team with his play. Do not want. Also, Harden is overrated, half a product of the refs, and I hate him. All of that said, I'd still take Barnes for Ariza money, but for anything more than 8 mil, hell no, he's a decent and sometimes awful role player that should probably be a backup and he proved that.
     
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    Was there a more disappointing player in the playoffs heading into free agency than Barnes? I see there's been plenty of discussion about the two GSW guys above, but had to throw my $.02 in.

    Barnes - did he have to check into WITSEC during the playoffs? Because I haven't seen a disappearing act to that level in awhile. Here's a guy ranked 3rd in most SF FA rankings. For the price, that's a ski mask job. I can't put him ahead of a Batum, Deng, Parsons, Joe Johnson. Honestly, for the price I may very well opt for Baze or Marvin Williams over him too. That puts him in the 7-9 range for me. I was never high on him or saw the reasoning for the level of interest towards him. He's a solid starting SF who is nothing more than a role player in a system that inflates his value 10 fold. He has two of the best shooters in the NBA in the best spaced offense in the league, Gump would look good in that system too. Fools gold. For the price tag, I'd take Ariza over him because Trevor has grit, toughness, heart, leaves it all on the court, and has not shriveled up like Costanza in the pool when it counts. As far as the discussion that he's just waiting to get his own team to explode like Harden, I don't see it. Even when he was playing 3rd fiddle, you saw flashes and the "IT" factor with Harden. All I see with Barnes is the Casper factor. I don't hate the kid or his game, he's very young and can be a very valuable ROLE player on a team, BUT he'd have to take half of what he's going to get offered for me to want him on my team.

    Ezeli - what the f*** was that? Sideshow Bob stole your role and cost you a payday. Mahinmi and Zaza leapfrog him after this embarrassment. Like Real said above, I'll gladly keep Black over him. Yeah, you're giving up a little size, but he makes up for it with heart, effort, hard work, familiarity with the team and with Luke.
     
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    I just want everyone to go back in my post history and read about how I said Ezeli is only playing 17 mpg on a historic team. That if you throw Black on GS in the same role he probably has the same impact. :) ;)

    This is why I worry about this offseason. We cannot go out and sign players because, "We have za monies!" We need to be careful and selective. Everyone wants to say that, "We're all going to be shocked at how much some people get paid!" The reason we'll be shocked is they aren't worth the money...in any cap situation. We will have a sf in either Ingram or Simmons. We have ZERO use for Barnes. And like I have said earlier, Black will likely provide the same impact as Ezeli at a fraction of the cost.
     
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    I was high on Barnes. Now I straight up hate him. He was beyond useless. Complete choke job, at home in game 7 of the freaking finals. Find a way to be useful, dude. The stakes don't get higher than this. He made something like one shot and choked the rest. Awful. Terrible D as well. I'm utterly disappointed in that guy. What a lousy showing. GS can keep him. I've never liked Ezeli for us at all and have said so. Bad knees and looked lost and confused out there.
     
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    Dwight back to ORLANDO
    bosh retires
    TD and Manu come back for 1 more
     
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