Official 2016 Free Agency Thread

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  1. fabfourlakers

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    I'm in for Barnes too. I think his ability to play the 3 and 4 won't impede the development of Ingram or Simmons (whoever we get). I like Barnes age at just 23....the other guy I want is Biyombo. Give him 2 years 40M with a player option on 2nd year. Let's see what he can do in his first year. Then, he opts out in year 2 and we'll have close to two max slots along with Barnes + Ingram/Randle/Russell/Clarkson/Nance with the cap going up.

    BTW, a few other dump candidates to consider: McRoberts from Miami (could try to extract a young player from them like Josh Richardson, Tyler Johnson or pipe dream...WINSLOW if Miami is trying to go the KD/Wade/Whiteside route this summer)
     
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    I don't see Miami dumping any of their young guys unless they land Durant. Richardson would be great though. He's going to be a damn solid player for a long time.

    Biyombo scares me. I don't think he lives up to the contract he gets. Besides, why spend on a big? Get me Mosgov for a third of that and spend on what the NBA requires now, length on the perimeter and spacing.
     
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    I like Biyombo for this team, but I am worried about acquiring him for this price and under these circumstances. He was obviously fantastic in these playoffs, but I worry about him living up to the hype and his current price tag. The potential is there, but he is a risky signing at this price.

    Plan B - Ian Mahimi. Mobile defender who should be cheaper than the likes of Biyombo, Horford, or Whiteside. Appears to have a good attitude & work ethic too. He's an 8 year vet, but he hasn't logged many minutes before this season either.
     
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    The difference is Biyombo fits into the new NBA while Mozgov can't even get off the bench. I don't mind Mozgov as a backup Center, but Biyombo can start for us.

    The price for Biyombo should be something like 4/60 million or maybe 2+1/60 million. I think that's fine.

    Mozgov should be something like 3/30 or 1+1/30 even.
     
  5. abeer3

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    i'm not privy to why mozgov went from important piece to afterthought in cleveland, but one possibility is that they decided they can only play one center, and that thompson was better suited to what they wanted to do.

    the only thing that concerns me about mozgov is that i don't think he's much of a passer. if you want to run an offense that's more pleasing to the eye than the lakers' from last year, one big step is making sure all 5 guys can pass effectively. i actually think this is as or more important than everyone being able to shoot threes.
     
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    It's fine if only one starts, but he's not even coming off the bench to make an impact in the Playoffs. He's played in 11 games averaging 1.4/1.6 in just over 6 minutes a game. He might as well not exist on that roster.

    I'll take him as a backup, but he's not even close to a guy I want starting next season.
     
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    i'm just saying, no major injury, and this guy played well in the finals last year and was a 10/7/1 guy for the year on 25mpg. he just forgot how to play basketball? the game fundamentally changed in 4 months? something doesn't add up. if the guy from last year was real, i think he can start and play 20-25mpg, leaving the backup minutes for tarik black types.
     
  8. therealdeal

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    But like you said, he's not a passer which is a must for the starting Center in this offense. His assist to turnover ratio over his career is 1:2.2 and even at his best it's 1:1.9. Not to mention he's never played more than 25.2 minutes a game. I think he's best served as a goonish backup which I'm in favor of. I think he'd make a decent backup big man. I just don't have any desire to see him starting for us. I'd prefer Biyombo who isn't a passer either but is at least more mobile on the floor.

    My wishlist still starts with Horford then everything else is up in the air. I know it's unlikely we can get him, but he'd make a lot of sense. Barring that, I'd honestly prefer a veteran like Noah who we can then have a platoon behind for when he inevitably gets hurt. I wouldn't be mad at Biyombo, Mahinmi, or Whiteside because none of them are passers, but they're athletic enough to still make positive impacts.
     
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    Give me a Byron Scott-less Tarik Black over Mozgov anyday. Can't wait to see what Black does without BOron getting in his head.
    :Headpoint:
     
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    black can't be a starter, imo. too many 7 footers start at center to get away with that long term.

    i think athleticism at the center spot is overrated. as long as you're not a complete plodding oaf (hibbert, i'm looking at you), you can get to the spots defensively. marc gasol was dpoy. duncan has been a great defender for almost two decades. neither is quick, fast, or can jump over a sheet of paper. they're smart and work hard. hell, even the aforementioned hibbert had a good run as a defender with the right teammates. there's more than one way to be effective on that end. deandre jordan and drummond do it their way, gasol and duncan and bogut do it theirs.

    relatedly, i still need proof that the true big man is dead. almost all good teams play at least one (gs plays three). this is why i'm cautious about biyombo.

    don't get me wrong, i'd take any of the guys you listed, but in terms of fit, i'm starting to think a healthy noah is ideal. even if you only get 25mpg. after that, i might go cheaper with a pachulia (passing, screens, but injuries...) or mozgov (large, can catch) before going twice that salary for mahinmi or biyombo, which is what i expect the market will yield.
     
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    I don't think the big man is dead, but Mozgov has proven pretty much that he's either not athletic enough to cover space or his timing is off, but either way the result is he's not really a great defensive fit.

    I've been the director of the Noah train though! I want him badly. I think he's a near perfect for what we need and the cost shouldn't be astronomical.
     
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  13. therealdeal

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    She said our starting Center could have the last name Gasol. Hm. Somehow I'm pretty doubtful Pau is coming back. I mean I'd be cool with it, but I doubt it. Other than that I think she's sort of hinting at something some of us have brought up: Marc Gasol in a salary dump.

    She also brought up Chandler Parsons as a potential target and said we weren't likely to go after Barnes.
     
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    That raised my eyebrows. She usually seems to know her stuff but I'm with you on that. Honestly, I have a hard time seeing either Gasol brother coming here though based on comments from them.
     
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    Honestly, I am not willing to give up any of our kids except maybe Nance for Marc Gasol in a salary dump. And I think Memphis would ask for more than that. Marc still has a lot of value around the league. It would probably take at least a pick and Clarkson or something. As old and injury prone as he is, and as far away from contention we are (even with him on the roster) I say no. But if Memphis just wants to dump him for nothing, I'd take him.
     
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    Tell us how you really feel Ramona. :Randallconfused:
     
  17. therealdeal

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    Memphis might be looking to dump him if Conley leaves. Remember Marc just turned 31 and just had a foot injury. He's always been a heavier guy so that foot problem may never go away. He's owed 67,927,250 dollars over the next three years guaranteed with another 25,595,700 million in a Player Optioned 4th year. That's a TON of money. Even under the new CBA that's a lot of money. I wouldn't give up much to take on that risk. A future pick maybe, but none of the kids we have now.

    and like @Doc Brown pointed out I'm 100% sure Pau is looking for other things besides LA with what is probably his last NBA contract.
     
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    You won't get Moz for 1/3 BB. Right?
     
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    good question. let's say biyombo's floor is 15 million, and he could get up to 20. is mozgov's range 5-6? probably not. but i bet it's half (8-10). it would depend on what else i was doing? have i struck out on other FAs? are there salary absorption options?

    my lower cost FA center targets are pachulia, mozgov, and miles plumlee. the latter is restricted, but my favorite. all should fetch similar cash and be viewed as stopgap starter level players, imo. given roster composition, i want plumlee because he can finish lobs.
     
  20. LaVarBallsDad

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    I'd give Biyombo a max deal for 2-3 years. Bash away.
     
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