Presidential Election Aftermath: What Now / What Next?

Joe Scarborough is conservative, and he's even speaking the truth about Bernie with respect

 

I don't blame Hillary. She's leading by a wide margin in most polls for California. Why risk it? All she can do is hurt herself.

Now I ask, who are these people voting for her?

 

I've seen now two feminists on my timeline that support her. They only cite her being a woman and not really her policies nor her controversies. They do bring up a decent point that Hillary is not all that different from Obama but everyone hates her, what's up with that? Their answer is she's a powerful female which makes people uncomfortable. The reality is she's an ***hole and everyone hates her because of it while Obama was a charmer.

 

HJ -- she's a flip-flopping liar I'm not surprised that she lied about this but I still don't think she should debate Bernie

 

Oh, she certainly shouldn't. She usually looses in any debate because no matter what the outcome, it's more exposure for Bernie, while Hillary is banking on her name recognition.

 

My sister lives in the Bay Area and said everyone she knows is voting for Bernie. I'm really surprised that the polls are showing Hillary leading by so much (50 to 30%, roughly).
While I don't agree with those voting for Trump, I understand the frustration they're feeling. I don't understand the vote for Hillary, unless it's a vote for more of Bill Clinton. If that's the case, I guess I get it, but I don't think those 2 even like each other so him being in the White House is unlikely, IMO. And I'm sure she'd want to carve out her own legacy. Being the first woman in the WH and taking a back seat to a man isn't a good precedent to set.

 

It's the fact that old people, I mean really old people, don't use the internet, so unless you're visiting grandma at the old folks home, you might not meet many Hillary supporters in one place. Those are also the same people that vote months ahead of time through the mail, so Hillary doesn't risk much by suppressing the vote on the day of the caucus.

She can't do that in primaries because Independents can vote in primaries, so Bernie wins those handily.

 

I DO think that Bernie's age is a factor. It wasn't too long ago everyone laughed McCain out of candidacy for his age, but it's not been as much of an issue for Bernie for some reason.

 

Silver hair. If he died it and tried to look younger like Trump and Hillary, it wouldn't be much of a topic

 

First, I hate Wasserman Schultz, so good if this goes down, but then this would be bad because it would be throwing a bone to Bernie supporters, and some would bite, even though this would be little more than ceremonial. Whoever they replace her with doesn't matter since she's already done the damage.

But I like how the establishment is ready to throw Wasserman Schultz out with the bath water just for being a good little soldier and following the party agenda:

"Dems discuss dropping Wasserman Schultz

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By Alexander Bolton - 05/24/16 08:30 PM EDT


Democrats on Capitol Hill are discussing whether Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz should step down as Democratic National Committee (DNC) chairwoman before the party’s national convention in July.

Democrats backing likely presidential nominee Hillary Clinton worry Wasserman Schultz has become too divisive a figure to unify the party in 2016, which they say is crucial to defeating presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump in November.




Wasserman Schultz has had an increasingly acrimonious relationship with the party’s other presidential candidate, Bernie Sanders, and his supporters, who argue she has tilted the scales in Clinton’s favor.
“There have been a lot of meetings over the past 48 hours about what color plate do we deliver Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s head on,” said one pro-Clinton Democratic senator.

The lawmaker said senators huddled on the chamber floor last week to talk about Wasserman Schultz’s future and estimated that about a dozen have weighed in during private conversations.

“I don’t see how she can continue to the election. How can she open the convention? Sanders supporters would go nuts,” said the lawmaker, who requested anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the discussions.

There is no indication Wasserman Schultz, who is also a Florida congresswoman, has any plans to leave her post. And Senate sources stress that a final decision won’t be made until Clinton and Sanders negotiate some type of deal aimed at healing the party. President Obama, who selected Wasserman Schultz as chairwoman in 2011, is expected to play a major role in any such talks.

The Clinton and Sanders campaigns have already struck a deal with Wasserman Schultz to limit her role in the convention’s platform committee.

Under DNC rules, she could have appointed all 15 members of the platform committee but instead picked only four. Clinton got to fill six positions, and Sanders chose five.

The concession, however, may not be enough to keep her in the job through the Democratic National Convention.

A senior Senate Democratic aide said, “There’s a strong sentiment that the current situation is untenable and can only be fixed by her leaving. There’s too much water under the bridge for her to be a neutral arbiter.”

Another Democratic senator who supports Clinton said Wasserman Schultz will hurt her chances of rallying the liberal base in the fall.

“We need to get this figured out and come together,” said the lawmaker. “Hillary’s got the nomination. She needs Bernie’s energy. It’s time for her to accommodate. It’s time to pick hard-nosed people to cut through things and figure out a deal.

“They need to know this is their party,” the lawmaker said, observing that if Wasserman Schultz were to be replaced as party leader, young liberals may become more enthusiastic about the ticket.

Lawmakers who have discussed the end of Wasserman Schultz’s tenure acknowledge the fate would be unfair because she’s worked hard to help the party. But they say the greater priority is to mollify restive liberals backing Sanders.

Wasserman Schultz and Sanders backers have clashed on Twitter in the wake of the chaotic Nevada Democratic convention earlier this month.

Sanders, who claimed the party establishment gave Clinton an unfair advantage in Nevada, has since endorsed Wasserman Schultz’s primary opponent. He also said he would not want her to continue as DNC chief if he were to become president.

Among Democrats, the view that Wasserman Schultz should go in the name of party unity isn’t unanimous.

Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.), the dean of Senate Democratic women, said Wasserman Schultz has done well in moderating the primary fight between Clinton and Sanders.

“I think Debbie Wasserman Schultz has done a good job. If you look at her platform committee appointments, she really gave a lot of room to Bernie supporters,” Mikulski said.

Mikulski said she was not aware of conversations about replacing the DNC chairwoman.

“That’s not going to happen. I certainly wouldn’t let it happen,” Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) said of the prospect of Wasserman Schultz leaving the DNC before the convention.

Nelson was one of several senators who called to speak on the record after The Hill contacted the DNC for comment.

Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), a former DNC chairman whose name has been floated as a possible running mate for Clinton, said: “We don’t need to be making a change in chairs right now as we’re coming to the conclusion of this. I strongly believe that.”

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), one of the rising female stars of the upper chamber, said, “She helped elect Barack Obama twice, and she’s going to help elect our nominee, whom I believe should be Hillary.”

In an emailed statement to The Hill, House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) said, “DNC Chairwoman Wasserman Schultz enjoys the support of members of the House Democratic Caucus for her leadership in unifying the party and winning in November.”

An aide to Vice President Biden said, “He supports her and her leadership of the committee.”

Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer (Md.) and House Democratic Caucus Chairman Xavier Becerra (Calif.) also contacted The Hill to express their support for her.

“The real story is you have a bunch of notable U.S. senators and members of Congress on the record expressing support for the strong leadership Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz has provided at the party, and an anonymous source who disagrees,” said Luis Miranda, the DNC’s communications director.

“She’s going to continue to focus on uniting Democrats and on being an asset to help elect them up and down the ballot in November, just as she’s done for many in both chambers,” he added.

But a neutral Democratic strategist involved in talks between constituencies on either side of the Clinton-Sanders divide said electing a new chairman “would help everyone.”

“I think that would help the Hillary campaign. That would be a symbol to the Bernie people that Hillary is hearing them,” he said.

Still, Clinton is known for valuing loyalty, and pushing Wasserman Schultz out could signal weakness. The Florida legislator endorsed Clinton over Obama in 2008.

The Sanders campaign and its allies have accused her of giving Clinton favorable treatment in an array of areas.

They point to several instances of perceived bias, such as scheduling televised debates at times of lower viewership, suspending Sanders’s access to a shared voter database and setting up a joint fundraising committee with Clinton’s campaign.

Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver recently alleged that Wasserman Schultz has been “working against” Sanders for “personal reasons.”

“It’s been clear there is a pattern of conduct from the beginning of this campaign that has been hostile to Bernie Sanders and his supporters, and really, she’s become a divisive figure in the party,” he told MSNBC host Steve Kornacki.

The Clinton campaign did not respond to a request for comment.

The Sanders campaign questioned Wasserman Schultz’s ability to engage the party’s various blocs.

“Sen. Sanders has said that if elected president he would not support Debbie Wasserman Schultz as chair of the Democratic National Committee. He believes that we need a chair who can effectively reach out to all the constituencies that are part of the Democratic Party,” said spokesman Michael Briggs.

Following the uproar at the Nevada convention earlier this month, some pro-Clinton lawmakers wanted Sanders to call for party unity, but he opted instead to rip the party establishment.

“Unfortunately, the senator’s response was anything but acceptable,” Wasserman Schultz told CNN. “It certainly did not condemn his supporters for acting violently or engaging in intimidation tactics, and instead added more fuel to the fire.”

That response struck many Democrats — Clinton and Sanders supporters alike — as tone-deaf.

“It’s very important for her to adopt a role of pouring oil on troubled waters. She did the opposite last week when she poured gasoline on the events that occurred in Nevada,” said Sen. Jeff Merkley(D-Ore.), the only member of the Senate who has endorsed Sanders.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/281147-dems-discuss-dropping-wasserman-schultz

 

#ImpeachedBeforeNomination

 

Trump is 69
Hillary is 68
Bernie is 74

When McCain was running vs Obama, it was constant "he's too old" and "he'll die in office." McCain is 79. However, 8 years ago when he was running he was 3 years younger than Bernie. Not you, but the Left is being hypocritical. IMO, all 3 are in great shape for their age. I don't want a 40-something year old running. Life experience is crucial.

 

It ISN'T much of a topic, but yeah you're right. My point was that people roasted McCain for the exact same appearance and no one is fussing about Bernie's age. I don't want any of these three people to be the next President so they're all old farts in my book.

 

Agree. It's like picking between firing squad, gas chamber, or electric chair. Can we get a do-over.

 

We'll see if this actually happens, but if so, this could be very interesting. Bernie already polls much better than Trump nationally. If Pledge Delegates see him win against him in a debate, as well as a bunch of California voters getting their minds changed to vote for Bernie, this could be big:

"‘Game On’: Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump Just Agreed to Debate
Tom Cahill | May 26, 2016FacebookTwitter

Donald Trump just told late night host Jimmy Kimmel that he’d be willing to debate Bernie Sanders in California “for charity.” And Sanders is game.

Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, was asked if he’d be willing to debate Senator Bernie Sanders ahead of California’s primary since Hillary Clinton rejected a Democratic debate invitation from Fox News. Surprisingly, the billionaire real estate developer was warm to the idea, saying he’d debate Sanders as long as the hosting network was willing to donate the ad revenue proceeds from the event to charity.

It didn’t take Sanders long to respond to Trump, tweeting his acceptance of the challenge:

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Game on. I look forward to debating Donald Trump in California before the June 7 primary.

12:30 AM - 26 May 2016

The venue, host, and time of the hypothetical debate has yet to be announced, though it’s likely one could be arranged in the coming two weeks before the June 7 contest.

The former Secretary of State has come under criticism this week for her refusal to debate Sen. Sanders, given that she agreed to four additional presidential debates in February, with one debate every month. The Democratic candidates have debated three times, and the Sanders campaign has pushed for a debate in California, the state with the most pledged delegates at stake out of all states and territories. Clinton reneged on that promise recently, flatly refusing to debate.

With a pledged delegate deficit of just 272 delegates, Sanders could enter the Democratic National Convention in a virtual pledged delegate tie with Clinton should he win California by a convincing margin. That isn’t entirely impossible, as a new poll conducted by the Public Policy Institute of California shows the Vermont senator in a statistical dead heat with Clinton among likely primary voters.

According to CBS News, Hillary Clinton’s campaign did not comment on the potential debate between her primary opponent and the likely Republican nominee."

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-debate/