Official 2016 Free Agency Thread

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  1. sirronstuff

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    We might want a center who doesn't need the ball, but can PR effectively, clean up the glass, and defend/block shots. Seems like DD might be a good fit with BB.
     
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    Is Biyombo a restricted FA?
     
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    Nope he's on a 1+1 contract with the second year being a player option. He's definitely opting out of that $2.9 million contract.
     
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    Woot ... woot .... woot

    I hope they can win a few games in the ECF to make the Kang break a sweat, but ultimately get crushed at the end so the Lakers experience, sunny So Cal life style and silver tongue of Luuke can possibly bring he and DD both to join the Young Guns. Away from cold, arctic Toronto.
     
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    Mine wouldn't. I still think a guy like DeRozan can help and there are veterans out there that I think can help bring more leadership in the locker room and on the floor.

    That said, I'm okay if we miss out on some guys by not just throwing out max contracts to everyone who is available out there. We're still far from competing for championships so I can be patient a bit longer especially with Luke at the helm
     
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    Mitch told Luke we would be active in free agency so I can't see us walking away empty handed.
     
  7. therealdeal

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    Well well said. We can be discriminating in our max deals, but I'll put money down we reach out to every FA that's been to an All-Star game and is under 35 years old. I'm cool with that. I expect all those stars to say no so I'm also ready to see Mitch juggle some interesting contracts when he has to.
     
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    If we're expecting D'Angelo to be a 20-25 ppg scorer by next season I think we're putting too much on the young fella. I don't expect Julius to be a 20/10 guy in 2017 either. I do expect progress. I don't expect necessarily much bigger numbers, but more overall impact and less mental mistakes. DeRozan will help them just by giving them another scorer and playmaker on the floor. How many possessions last year when we had nothing going we just gave it to Kobe? At least this coming year we'd give to a legit big time offensive weapon when things break down and let him make a play.
     
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    You expect DeRozan to say no?
     
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    He might be convinced to stay after this improbable playoff run
     
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    I think its definitely going to be tougher to pry guys like DeRozan and Biyombo away from their team with them making the Eastern Finals.
     
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    Same here. I think we'll bring in some guys but it's really hard to say who at this point.
     
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    Yeah maybe, but what if they get swept by Cleveland? That team isn't going anywhere anytime soon? Does he really believe they could take a next step next season and truly be a challenger or just be like the Hawks?
     
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    Yeah no s***. This for your home games?

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    Just a FYI.

    D'Angelo's Per36 - 16.8 ppg
    Clarkson's Per36 - 17.3 ppg
    Julius' Per36 - 14.5 ppg
    Kobe's Per36 - 21.5 FGA, 5.4 FTA, 32.2 USG%
    Derozan's Per36 - 17.7 FGA, 8.4 FTA, 29.8 USG%

    Replace Kobe with a player that shoots less, Deng for example (11.2 FGA per36) and you have 10 more FGA opportunities for the other 4 starters. If Dlo, Clarkson, and Julius gets 3 FGA each, in a free-flowing offense and better efficiency, 20ppg, 20ppg, and 18ppg is a realistic figure.
     
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    Great talent and good fits would be nice. However, I'm going to be happy with some talent upgrades whether the fit seems good or not. Our young guns will keep getting better and Luke will now how to use the players correctly. No way Lou runs around shooting like a mad man this season. We may do better than most think.. Those girls got me wanting to leave Alaska and get to LA with no second thoughts.. There was no way to take into account how bad Byron was going to be. We are the most improved team in the league just by getting rid of him..
     
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    Very possibly. Everyone has the last few years and while we're a better sale this summer than last, it still remains to be seen if we're an attractive enough destination. The importance of the pick will be the ability to flip it for a more ready-made asset that should help with FAs.
     
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    Weird that you posted the kids' ppg, but not DeMar's. DeMar's Per36 numbers are 23.5/4.5/4.0 and he's got six years of averaging over 30 minutes per game so that's a pretty good sample size. It's also worth noting that he's improved every season he's been in the NBA besides last season when he missed significant time (played only 60 games).

    It's much harder to extrapolate the kids' production given that Randle and Russell each averaged only 28 minutes per game and have played only one full season. Clarkson has played a season and a half, but averaged 32 minutes last season. Those 32 minutes led to worse statistics than DeRozan in just about every category. Jordan's only advantage really is his ability to shoot outside. I have a hard time imagining that D'Angelo, Randle, and Jordan all average that many points per game next season AND we're competitive. They can average that much if they're the only three around taking shots, but that means we're going to be a pretty crappy team for at least one more season.

    If DeMar comes in and plays a Kobe-esque role in the offense, but plays better defense and is on the floor more, we're a better team. Easily a better team! Somehow in 12 less games Kobe hoisted 330 more three point attempts hitting them at a worse rate than DeMar. DeMar scored almost 700 more points over the year, had a better eFG%, and had about 130 more assists. Sounds great to me.

    I know DeMar isn't an ideal fit because he can't shoot, but any usage arguments don't strike home with me. Not only is it kind of irrelevant because no matter who we picked up this summer, there'd be a vacuum of shots available. Durant and Westbrook have usage rates over 30% each, but I'm sure we'd love for them to be around the kids. Heck a lot of us are all excited about Barnes and Horford, but each of them have usage rates over 20% as well meaning they'll consume plenty of possessions. If we'd signed Durant, LeBron, whomever they're going to come in here and consume possessions. Besides that though with Luke building the offense, whoever comes in will move the ball more than they did before. The offense will be about ball and man movement and while Curry's usage percentage is high, no one else's is super high. And let's face it Curry is the MVP he can do what he wants. Lastly though the kids aren't ready for that kind of production. If we're hoping for almost 50 points from the young kids combined AND a competitive team... we're not going to get both.
     
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    Don't be so sure. Toronto is over the cap if they sign derozan, and can't even offer more than the MLE to biyombo. So they likely get weaker next year barring some really great trade.

    Staying or leaving is about the future, not the past, and Toronto is not well set up to even keep their team, while many others have room to improve.

    The above is from a poster on LG. Toronto is in a tough spot financially with DD: if they sign him, they can't improve the team nor re-sign Biyombo. As the posher mentioned; barring a great trade, Toronto is stuck on the path of mediocrity the foreseeable future because the way they have hamstrung themselves they way they have structured their player contracts.

    That said, the Lakers can offer DD a far better location where his family resides, a max deal, and help given our flexbility and assets that we've accumulated.

    Also, his shoe contract is also up and he can reportedly earn three times more money if he signed with the Lakers.

    www.silverscreenandroll.com/2016/3/28/11320284/la-lakers-free-agency-rumors-demar-derozan

    I do not know if these reasons will convince him , but if I were in his shoes, those would sure sound like very compelling reasons and more than enough to gI've it some serious consideration.
     
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    All great points, but until we actually nab someone I'm going to keep expectations about as low as I can. I expect us to make a run at him and just about every other high profile FA that's for sure.
     
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