Official 2016 Free Agency Thread

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  1. YoungThundercat

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    I agree. I'd be willing to do it though, since unlike before, we don't have to wait with bated breath for the 3 day window. We have the money to put that out there at 11:59 and sign a max guy at noon the same day.

    Barnes definitely checks all the boxes:

    3&D? Check.

    Can age with our core? He's 23, Check.

    System fit? Check.

    Winning experience? Check.

    Willing to accept his role and stay in his lane? Check.
     
  2. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

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    Nope those numbers are right.

    The cap is going to be set at 92 million or so this summer. The tiers are 25, 30, and 35% of that number. After some legal mumbo-jumbo those numbers end up at something like 21, 25.4, and 30 million.

    Next summer the cap is going to go up to 117 million or so, could be more. The tiers are the same and the mumbo-jumbo legal numbers put the totals somewhere around 28, 34, and 40 or so. Could be slightly less, but that's close to the right numbers.
     
  3. Savory Griddles

    Savory Griddles Moderator Staff Member

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    Well, we do if he doesn't improve his jump shot. Stacking a bunch of players with the same skill sets and same deficiencies is not how you construct a team. "Better fits" are a big part of creating a team. We traded Ceballos for Horry, and at the time, Ceballos was a 20 ppg scorer. But Horry fit our team better. We traded Glen Rice for Horace Grant because of the fit. But saying he's going to improve his jump shot is something we can't automatically assume he will do. If Swaggy works on his 3 point shot and starts hitting like Klay Thompson then...I mean, I was just speaking as it pertains to what we know of the players as of the last time we saw them. Huertas can work on this, that and every other thing...then we would resign him. And yes. Julius has potential. A lot of it. But Simmons is on a different level as it pertains to potential. Every fan tends to overrate their own players, or underrate them. Me, you, everyone. If we have Simmons and Randle and they neither one learn to hit from outside 15 feet, you trade one. And I'm not saying trade Randle for a young shooter like Devin Booker or something. But Randle isn't some can't miss prospect. He has some really glaring holes. He will always be somewhat limited on defense due to his shorter arms, and yes the 2-3 inches shorter make a gigantic difference over the course of a season.

    But it really is a senseless argument to have because #1 - We don't know if we have Simmons. #2 - We don't know what Randle will do in the offseason.
     
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  4. LaVarBallsDad

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    Nearly $1 billion in estimated cap space this summer, league wide. The average team will have $32M available.

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    That process puts the league wide estimate over $950 million originally and it dipped slightly after players like John Henson agreed to extensions at 2016-17 salaries over their cap holds. However, it is also worth remembering that the final cap number has gone over the estimates from a year ahead each of the last few summers and that should be the case again after this season and this projection uses the $92 million cap estimate to push the total even closer to $1 billion. Even a small uptick beyond that reverberates for almost every team and ratchets up this league-wide number substantially.

    While there are a series of different methods to generate a fair estimate of how much money will be out there in July 2016, $1 billion works well as an approximation for the time being and we should not lose sight of how staggeringly large that number is for the NBA and the league’s structure moving forward.

    http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/241163/The-Space-Race-Calculation-Explained

    Thanks to GT for the info.
     
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  5. Chillbongo

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    I ran the numbers.

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  6. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

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    Those numbers don't work for Durant.

    This summer he'll have 9 years in the league so he'll be able to sign a contract worth 30% of 92 million. The point of signing the 1+1 with OKC is to get 35% of the projected 117 million in 2017's expected big summer increase.

    His contract would roughly start at 35% of 117 million which is 40.95 million. It could be a little less than that due to some sort of legal mumbo-jumbo that @trodgers showed me that I can't really wrap my head around.
     
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  7. Chillbongo

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    Ah so you're referring to the 2017 cap. That makes sense I was doing 2016.

    Either way these salaries are borderline unfathomable!
     
  8. therealdeal

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    Yeah his 2016 salary, should he choose to max himself out is more reasonable, but still an enormous amount. His starting salary would be about 25.4 million or something and would end up at 4/109 million or so if he signed anywhere but OKC. If he decided to go full max this summer in OKC he's looking at roughly 4/114 I believe. My math could be wrong, but that's my understanding.

    The 117 numbers are going to be just preposterous. If we can lock up some solid guys this summer long-term, those contracts are going to look like gold in the summer of 2017.
     
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  9. trodgers

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    RD, you just mean the difference between numbers used to calculate cap for a team and cap for a salary?
     
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  10. LaVarBallsDad

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    When did you get back?
     
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  11. therealdeal

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    No I meant the small changes that happen for the actual max numbers. I know that the layman's terms of "25% of the cap = max" is false, there's some other bits that go into the salary that drive it a little below that amount.
     
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    I don't want Derozen. He's not a good Lakers fit after watching him in the playoffs.

    If i'm Durant i'm signing in Washington. (while talking to another near all-star big guy to join him). He's got to understand that things will not work out with Westbrook, and actually the combination of him, Wall and Beal can be deadly.
    Going back home, to his old coach who brought him to the finals and playing in the weak East - that means no fighting GS and SA and a ECF guarantee.
    Seems to me an easy desicion. Going to LA seems wierd for me, but i'll take him with open arms.

    if not Durant, I want Barnes (don't need Deng and Arize filling this role for only 1-2 years).
     
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  13. therealdeal

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    I've heard that Durant has absolutely zero interest in playing in Washington.

    He's apparently had a lot of trouble with people in his area asking him personal questions and favors every time he's gone. Like above and beyond the usual trouble athletes face when they go home.

    Everything I've heard says he's going to stay OR he's going to a large market to try to cash in which is why the door to LA is still slightly (very slightly) open. San Antonio and Golden State will also make pitches to him and see if they can find a way to add him reasonably to already great teams which he's interested in because he's approaching his 10th season and has only one Finals appearance which he lost.
     
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    DeMar = taller Lou :D
     
  15. tada

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    Except Lou's a better shooter.
     
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    That's not really funny is it...
     
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    Good. Keep him Vlade. Don't want him.
     
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    I honestly wasn't interested in trading for him either. I would rather keep our young core and bring in help through free agency.
     
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    Dwight Howard just said Steph Curry is offensively better than Michael Jordan. Oh Dwight.

    :dwightcrying:
     

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