Official 2016 Free Agency Thread

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  1. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

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    Instead of Noah we could go after Afflalo with that money maybe? Courtney Lee maybe?

    Then let Black be the primary backup Center? As long as we can nail down a legitimate starting SF, things will look 100% better next summer. A starting SF that can hit an outside shot is a must.
     
  2. therealdeal

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    I'd say very. That's why I'm high on Horford at this moment. Things change literally every day though. I was pushing Whiteside for a while.
     
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  3. Lakers2015

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    And Barnes has Klay and Draymond. He's playing with better players and still struggling. Neither have been good in the postseason. They both have faults and flaws.
     
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    LaVarBallsDad - Lakers Legend -

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    QFT! Goodness. We won 17 games last year. The marketplace and the economics of the league are going to change dramatically this summer. Everyone is going to get paid and outside of Lebron and KD, we can argue about all day about who deserves the max and who doesn't, but the landscape of the NBA have changed and the salary cap is going up not just this year but the year after; as far as players, we need a talent infusion. I don't care if it's Harrison, Ezeli, DeMarcus, or whatever; don't worry about what fits and what doesn't. Improve the team through free agency and if you see a trade that improves us, make it, too.
     
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    Sensible plan by GT from LG, IMO.

    I would max any of the following guys, in order of preference, then move on to the vets on 2-year deals next.

    Max Guys

    1) Kevin Durant
    2) Hassan Whiteside
    3) DeMar DeRozan
    4) Chandler Parsons
    5) Harrison Barnes
    6) Nicolas Batum
    7) Kent Bazemore
    8) Al Horford
    9) Mike Conley

    High $$$, Short Term Vets

    1) Dwyane Wade
    2) Luol Deng
    3) Pau Gasol
    4) Dirk Nowitzki
    5) Deron Williams
    6) Joakim Noah
    7) Nene

    I'm going down that list of 16 in order if I'm approaching FA this year.
     
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  6. therealdeal

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    You and I are on the same page. :D

    Let's just get some talent in here and worry about the rest when we have to. I'm not paying that contract, so I'll be okay if we have to overpay for some guys.
     
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    Fixed the list up a little bit, but I'm with it.
     
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  8. Lakers2015

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    Yes we need talent. Period. Getting someone like DeRozan, Whiteside, Barnes, even if we overpay is gonna alleviate a lot of the pressure off our young guys who aren't ready for that kind of pressure. If we were actually good I'd say okay you can't just max out everyone, but we're at the bottom of the league and we NEED to get someone. Who cares about fit? Give me some NBA talent right now.
     
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    No to Chandler Parsons for max. Hell no.
     
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    @Lakers2015 @RandleROFY i'm not arguing that one is worth the max over the other. All I was contending was the fact that Barnes has more question marks than Derozan. I think they both have flaws but Barnes age, defense, and Shooting %s are far more satisfying.
     
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    I don't agree with that at all. Barnes shoots 46 percent compared to DeRozan who is at 44, but the big difference is DeRozan is the #1 option on his team. Him and Lowry essentially carried them to the playoffs. Barnes is a role player so his percentage should be better. Is his defense better? Sure, but I don't think he's some lock down guy. Draymond and Klay are the lockdown ones on that team along with Bogut. Not trying to dump on Barnes here I like him, but DeRozan is the clear better player. Yes he sucked in the playoffs, but so has Barnes and one guy has a lot more on his shoulders and has still produced at an All Star level this year.
     
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    I'm not seeing a knock on Barnes here by questioning giving him max when he's more of an unknown. He's like the 4th or 5th best player on GS, DeRozan is Toronto's franchise player, 23 PPG this season, you know more what you're getting with him. We don't know what Barnes would be doing if handed DeRozan's team/role. If he comes quite a bit cheaper and fits better with our current players of course you have to consider him. The main concern for me is his being restricted. We can't be waiting a week to see if the Warriors match our offer and be missing out on DeRozan, Batum, and other SFs we're looking at.
     
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    wow, elite and Roy Hibbert in the same category.

    Thanks for postings this breakdown
     
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    Gotcha. I didn't mean to come off too aggressive in my post. My apologies. Either way, I have this strange feeling that if we get this pick, Cousins will be a Laker. If we remember last year, Vlade, the new appointed GM didn't have an understanding of the CBA. I don't know if Sacramento or the Lakers initiated the call, but reportedy Vlade wanted the number 2 pick, Clarkson and Randle. The Lakers were probably only offering the pick in exchange for Cousins, IMO. I think Vlade might have been totally out of his element, and the owner for the Kings is a nut job; he was wavering back and forth.

    Fast forward; Sacramento hired a very savvy executive; you can probably have a conversation with him unlike Vlade, and he has an understanding of the CBA. That said, because I'm reading reports that Sacramento might be more inclined to part with Cousins, I think those conversations take place if the lottery balls come our way. It might take more than the number 1 pick, though. I'm just speculating, and I don't even want Cousins. I think he'll be in play, though, if we keep our pick.
     
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    I know I'm a few pages late to the discussion regarding EZ...

    I like him, but not for that kind of coin. I'm all for Luke bringing along some familiar faces with him to accelerate the process of implementing a system, BUT he's not worth that not in any CBA. I like him and his game, but there's not much the separates him from the rest of the pack of that tier of FA bigs (Noah, Mahinmi, Biyombo, Zaza).
     
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    Weez - that's exactly my point. I know what we're getting with DeRozan and I don't think it's the best for this team. We don't need someone with basically Kobe's usage rate on an even worse shooting percentage. That's not conducive to the offense the Warriors are running! It's simple. You can't teach an old dogs new tricks. Now I don't think Barnes deserves a max but that's not up to me.

    @Lakers2015 agreed with what your saying. But what im saying is DD is a poor #1 option. We can do better than him, even if it means waiting for 2017 or pulling a trade off. Does that make sense? There's no reason Barnes can't turn into our version of Klay. DD will not be that guy. He's a mediocre #1 option.
     
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    Exactly what I'm thinking. Because of his association with the Warriors, he will likely get more than the other guys you listed, but if anything, that should be a reason to take pause. He's on a team that plays long stretches with no real center. If he was worth 17 million, why the heck can't he get on the floor for more than 17 minutes, where his team chooses to not even play a center? I'll say it again, I think Tarik Black could be just as effective if he were in GS's system.
     
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    I'd go for demar, Barnes, Whiteside, keep the pick (only top 2) keep young talent, waive Nick young, trade Lou for something, jc 6th man.

    Boom
     
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    It's not cherry picking or a small sample size. It's his stats from the playoffs. It is what it is.
     
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    A lot of good discussion the past couple pages.

    I think what we do will depend on the draft pick, if we keep it, I would expect a lot of big things free agency. If we lose the pick I think we sign one max player, one or two solid role players and then round out the roster with vets and one year contracts to save a max for next off season.
     
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