Official 2016 Free Agency Thread

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  1. sirronstuff

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    Who is playing center if your ideal scenario?
     
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    It changes almost every day but right now it's Horford. Consistent effort every night, a good jumper to space the floor, and he can attack in multiple ways.

    I'd also be fine with Whiteside or Noah or Ezeli or Mahinmi or Biyombo or Bogut depending on what our situation ends up being.
     
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  3. ElginTheGreat

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    Yeah. I'm with you on that 100%. LOL
     
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  4. sirronstuff

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    Lots of directions we can go, and all of them are probably much better than what we saw this year.

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    Right. We need a lot of help and at pretty much every position.
     
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    I've been quietly wanting Horford for a while, but I think we could use every guy you listed.
     
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  7. Savory Griddles

    Savory Griddles Moderator Staff Member

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    Well, it's not that I think there are 5 or 6 guys better, but while signing guys long-term, you can't just look at talent in a vacuum. You need to look at bang for your buck, fit, etc. I'd approach Durant and Lebron (obviously) as well as Batum, and Barnes first. DD is a better player than both of those last two guys, but Batum and his skillset is a much better fit. Barnes could be better (we don't know how much playing with Steph/Klay/Draymond eats into his opportunities) and his playstyle/skillset fit better with our team, especially with Luke now at the helm. Then you get to players like Bazemore who will likely cost half as much as DD and bring you some interesting things. Deng and Afflalo both are better defenders and like Bazemore will cost half as much. You can get both Bazemore AND Biyombo for the same price as DD.
     
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    Ok, and LOL for wanting a shooting guard who can't shoot and has been a total choker in the playoffs. Quite honestly other than name recognition why is DeRozan a better fit on our squad than Deng or Bazemore? We NEED a small forward. DeRozan right now doesn't play the position. For my money, Jordan Clarkson is already a much more versatile scorer and player in general than DeRozan and I like his drive and heart more.

    I just don't see the point in DeRozan. We are desperate for a good center and a starting level SF. I do think that some of what we are speculating on right now comes down to whether or not we keep the pick and where it lands 1,2 or 3. If we were to try to trade the pick and Clarkson for Butler then the narrative changes and it makes sense to go after DeRozan in FA. Right now though, I don't see it.
     
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  9. Savory Griddles

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    Actually, I think the opposite. If we land Butler, then we go after Durant and Whiteside, HARD. Butler + Russell + Randle is a great core to pitch if you basically tell Durant and Whiteside you guys both sign here for the max and form a big three with Butler with potential all-stars at the other two positions. Butler honestly gives us a top 15 or so player. I don't want to take up max salary space with a B level star. We would have an A level. We need to make sure to get another A level.

    Last night changed my tune a LITTLE bit on Whiteside. The guy came out and chanced an injury (and by extension his ...umm...extension) to help his team. That showed me that he might actually really care and won't go in the tank next season. The reason it doesn't fully convince me is the dude has an IQ of roughly 80 and quite possibly didn't understand that what he was doing could cost him his extension.
     
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    ^^ Savory, sure, of course we go after Durant hard. I would think that we are going after Durant hard no matter what - he's the top FA. I am assuming that he isn't coming. Since we are talking about it, if the FO think that DeRozan will somehow bring us Durant then I'll change my mind on wanting him. It's just in the absence of Durant, I am not thrilled about DeRozan.

    I do think you are right though - if we do trade Clarkson and the pick I can see us doing exactly what you are saying. Glad to see you are coming around on Whiteside, I do share your concerns that he's not the brightest basketball guy, but he could do a lot for us.
     
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    What's he writing???

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    "BS is full of BS"
     
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    I'm not sure if you think I'm saying I am thrilled about DeRozan. I'm not. I was just saying that landing Butler I think would make us do the opposite as it pertains to going after him. Butler + DeRozan is not a championship team (or even top 5 in the West for that matter). And at that point we COULD add Whiteside, but man...that team has maybe the worst outside shooting in the league. Butler is adequate at best from downtown, DeRozan is subpar and our pf (Randle can't shoot from over 8 feet). Butler and DeRozan as our wings...the way this game is played now? Russell would be our only legitimate threat from downtown.

    I'm totally with you on DeRozan. Not a fan at this point. But with Butler in tow, I think it actually decreases the odds we go after him.
     
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    Actually, I think he could be onto something; we have enough young players. If you get the pick (top. 3), move it. I love our youth. It doesn't mean I am so attached to them that I wouldn't move or upgrade the position via free agency.
     
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    There are enough people on this team who are ball-dominant and end possessions. Randle, Clarkson, Lou Will, even Russell. I assume we'll add at least one FA who needs the ball as well. Where does Demar get his touches in that lineup? The answer is he'll be taking away opportunities from others. He's not going to magically turn over a new leaf and cut his FGA in half and increase is 3P% by 5% like Iguodala.

    Demar DeRozan is a knee-jerk reaction to get talent. The Lakers have taken a poor FA approach the last couple of years. We can't continue to look at names and ppg. A number of names mentioned in this thread are a better fit.

    If we strike out on a SF then who cares? Look at the 2017 FA class. Look at trades. The draft. Think long-term - build chemistry and flow. No reason to jump on a 5-year commitment to mediocrity.

    The Spurs and Warriors built their juggernauts specifically by avoiding players like DeRozan.
     
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    Man I really, really love Russell, but that's a deal I'd do.

    George is a superstar. He basically got Indiana to the playoffs by himself and nearly willed them to victory.

    Sound familiar?
     
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    Indiana wouldn't do it. LOL.
     
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    Not sure what's funny. If Indiana is looking to rebuild that would be a great deal. You possibly pair Ingram or Simmons with D'Angelo and Myles Turner? That's a great young core. They could still add Clarkson or Randle or both to sweeten the deal.

    So basically Clarkson, Randle, D'Angelo, and Ingram/Simmons for PG13.

    They will not find a better deal.
     
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    I wasn't laughing at your reply. I am laughing because I can't see Bird trading George. George is under contract for two more years and how often does a talent like George come around in Free Agency and say, 'I want to play in Indiana.'

    If he is moved, it might potentially happen in the last year of his deal if George is getting frustrated that the Pacers haven't made any progress and are getting repeatedly bounced in the PO's.
     
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    If we got Paul George, which Indy would be stupid to move and it's not happening, it would open the flood gates for players to come to LA.

    If you make that trade and give up that much I would expect to see WojBombs going off 5 minutes after saying DD, Durant, Whiteside some type name is on the way to follow. You don't make that move without 2 moves planned ahead ready to be put in place.
     

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