Preseason 2017

Discussion in 'Lakers Discussion' started by ElginTheGreat, Sep 26, 2017.

  1. abeer3

    abeer3 - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    25,845
    Likes Received:
    70,306
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    luke has a bad roster. i don't think popovich gets this group to the playoffs.
     
  2. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Messages:
    28,475
    Likes Received:
    62,061
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    I think Popovich and Carlisle and even guys we've let go like Snyder could get this team on the same page at least. Right now they're lost.
     
  3. ElginTheGreat

    ElginTheGreat - Lakers MVP -

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2014
    Messages:
    10,203
    Likes Received:
    28,398
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    Right. All that playoff talk was just pipe dreams from all of us who are tired of losing.

    I'll honestly just accept consistent effort from a team that doesn't look clueless at this point.
     
    Cookie, alam1108 and abeer3 like this.
  4. Khmrp

    Khmrp - Lakers MVP -

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2016
    Messages:
    11,870
    Likes Received:
    13,607
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    not playoffs but they wouldn't look completely lost like they do now, I doubt Luke has any of his own concept, just copy cat coach
     
  5. abeer3

    abeer3 - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    25,845
    Likes Received:
    70,306
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    hey, i wanted atkinson, said it at the time. and i wanted snyder over the mikes, but that's all ancient history now.

    anyway, this is hardly a luke problem. it's a FO problem, imo. they claim they want to win, but they didn't make a lot of moves that suggest it. people will point to lopez, but shortly after the trade, the gm basically called it a salary dump in public. there's a message sent there.

    we then tell our underperforming 2nd year player (whom we nonsensically kept out of trade talks) that he needs to become something he's not...right now!

    by protecting one player in trade talks (and not others), you're also sending a message (to clarkson and randle). just bad practice all around.

    i've got very little confidence that this group has a good plan and is executing it. rather, i think they believed they were smarter than others, found out they weren't, and are scrambling. we don't even have a veteran pg on the roster. hell, we don't have a third pg, period. who does that? rick carlisle's got like, nine of them!
     
  6. CarolinaLakerFan

    CarolinaLakerFan - Lakers 6th Man -

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2014
    Messages:
    1,786
    Likes Received:
    5,590
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    South Carolina
    Offline
    I don't think it's a heart or effort thing with this team. We simply aren't good enough.
     
  7. ElginTheGreat

    ElginTheGreat - Lakers MVP -

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2014
    Messages:
    10,203
    Likes Received:
    28,398
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not done with Luke here and he's definitely got to work with the hand he was dealt. I do think he's gotta step it up though. I liked Atkinson and Snyder too though.

    As far as the front office, well, I think our takes on everything they have done has been similar all summer long and I again agree.
     
  8. alam1108

    alam1108 - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    13,498
    Likes Received:
    37,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Laker Land
    Offline

    I was asking for a vet pg all summer and what do they do, give Caruso a shot after his summer league performance. Brought it up again recently and was told by a few here that Ennis wasn't that bad.

    Ball is a rookie with a frail body (SL injury and now the ankle). We need a vet pg that can take control a little when the team looks lost. Brook is a big man for that but we also need a steady pg there too.

    I'm just really annoyed right now. I bought into the hype that Magic, Rob and co were selling but it's clear the product is defective. We need to use the rest of the preseason productively. We were promised competitive/entertainment every game, 0/3 so far.
     
    abeer3 and ElginTheGreat like this.
  9. TIME

    TIME Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2014
    Messages:
    5,689
    Likes Received:
    22,251
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Lifelong Lakers fan.
    Location:
    LaLa Land
    Offline
    I still think Luke was / is the right pick for HC. But he NEEEEEEDS a top level defensive specialist coach on his staff.
     
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2017
  10. LTLakerFan

    LTLakerFan - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    34,752
    Likes Received:
    58,316
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    So Cal
    Offline
    ^^^ This seems so obvious. Does he even have one person that is tasked more than all the others allegedly to be that guy? Who is it FFS? If not then WTF .... why not by now?
     
  11. Kenzo

    Kenzo - Lakers All Star -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    7,414
    Likes Received:
    15,583
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Poland
    Online
    Would JVG be good enough? He's out of the game for some time now but used to be "good"
     
  12. OX1947

    OX1947 - Lakers All Star -

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2016
    Messages:
    7,980
    Likes Received:
    17,255
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    Randle and Clarkson will not give you 100 percent effort every night. BI might but I don't know if a hang nail may sideline him for a week. The guy is a giant pansy.

    Lonzo and Kuzma are my dogs. I'm gonna enjoy those two balling and hope Lopez can play 70+ games.
     
  13. KB24

    KB24 Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Messages:
    3,159
    Likes Received:
    8,286
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Certified Tax Advisor
    Location:
    Germany
    Offline
    This team is still garbage on defense.

    After all these years I'm not sure what to say... Different coaches, different players, different owners, different courts... One consistent thing which is awful defense.

    I dunno what to say... I know youth is a big part of our defense but damn... Guys like Randle, Clarkson etc. are vets now, it's their 4th season...
     
  14. abeer3

    abeer3 - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    25,845
    Likes Received:
    70,306
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    they're just not sharp basketball players (randle and clarkson). others are too young or athletically deficient.

    i'm also a firm believer in the very lame (but very true) "you gotta want it" theory. to a man, your team has to want to play defense. we don't have that. that's another FO problem, though.
     
    ElginTheGreat likes this.
  15. ElginTheGreat

    ElginTheGreat - Lakers MVP -

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2014
    Messages:
    10,203
    Likes Received:
    28,398
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    I think that’s the bottom line. Randle and Clarkson just don’t have it.
     
  16. LTLakerFan

    LTLakerFan - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    34,752
    Likes Received:
    58,316
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    So Cal
    Offline
    Really? So you really didn't mean really.
     
    OX1947 likes this.
  17. sirronstuff

    sirronstuff - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    30,381
    Likes Received:
    74,793
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Your time is running out Ham
    Location:
    Laker Purgatory
    Offline
    He said pansy
    bipansy.gif
     
    LTLakerFan and abeer3 like this.
  18. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Messages:
    28,475
    Likes Received:
    62,061
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
  19. abeer3

    abeer3 - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    25,845
    Likes Received:
    70,306
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    was randle not playing?
     
  20. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Messages:
    28,475
    Likes Received:
    62,061
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    I'd assume he's on a team with Lopez/Beachum/whoever.
     
    sirronstuff likes this.

Share This Page