Luol Deng Discussion: No #Dengdump, Rather Stretched Into Cash

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  1. LTLakerFan

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    He might have accepted less until sirron went Fat Albert on him in the national media.

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    hey hey hey

    :Kobe Snickering:
     
    sirronstuff, Dec 25, 2017
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    I actually think he will accept some sort of buyout. I think he believes he can still play. I’m not sure it will be much of a discount but something is better then nothing.
     
    Cookie, Dec 25, 2017
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    I hope you're right.
     
    therealdeal, Dec 25, 2017
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    Is it not legal to buy him out for exactly what he has left on his contract? I would think we’d pay him MORE than what he has left to go away if that means he off the cap.
     
    Weezy, Dec 25, 2017
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    He still counts against the cap even with a buyout until his contract expires. Sucks
     
    KareemtheGreat33, Dec 25, 2017
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    This. His buyout will still count against our cap and if I recall correctly, it'd still act as a "stretch". So he's still due 36.81 million over the next two years. If he accepts a buyout for 30 million, we're still paying 6 million a year over the next 5 years.
     
    therealdeal, Dec 26, 2017
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    :Bangbrick4: maybe use Dung's head here @sirronstuff so at least we have the satisfaction of seeing his skull being bashed:Kobe Snickering:
     
    KareemtheGreat33, Dec 26, 2017
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    I don’t really understand why we aren’t willing to give up some firsts to get rid of him then. If we plan on being a contender, our first rounders won’t be that great. Also, as we’ve seen, it isn’t impossible to trade for them, we traded for one with Lou, and then turned that 1 into 2 with NJ. We also don’t seem to need more youth/rookies here, for quite a while. If it takes a couple firsts to not have to buy out or stretch Deng I do it.
     
    Weezy, Dec 26, 2017
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    I don't disagree, but apparently teams don't value our 1sts highly because of that exact scenario. So I think what's happening is teams are asking for a multiple picks and that's a dangerous game just to dump Deng.

    So far, I'm in favor of the weird idea emplay had where we extend Deng, but then waive him and have a cost of just a few million for ten years. It's basically an extra large cap hold.
     
    therealdeal, Dec 26, 2017
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    I don't know if this has already been done here at LakersBall, but there was this old ClubLakers thing I'd like to invoke now in this case to help our cause...

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    A.T.G.R.O.D.

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    JohnnyComeLately2k6, Dec 26, 2017
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    Yep. We should be extending and waiving him so that we are only paying him $3M a year for the next 11 years. It's time to stop throwing good money after bad. We did that by dumping Mozgov and attaching d-lo and we got VERY lucky getting Kuzma at 27 (I still believe we coulda gotten Kuz at 28 but if Hart ends up being a very useful role player for us, then I will stop complaining). I do not want us throwing away 1st rounders anymore. Just think of it this way....if we can get a player like Kuzma that late in the draft, who's to say we can't do that again?
     
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    I don't think many drafts will be as deep as this last one, but it's a good point.

    The problem is, would Deng play ball with us on that extension attempt? So far it appears he will not or maybe the Lakers haven't given up on moving him.
     
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    it's the splattering crap on impact that's hard to animate

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    But here's a poop one of Luke to tide you over....

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    Sorry to save this from the verge of page 3 but I've always been curious.

    https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/sports/Luol-Deng-helping-Lakers-Randle-471896263.html

     
    alam1108, Jan 31, 2018
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    I saw something earlier that he was helping and advising teammates if they wanted it. Seems to be completely professional about his situation. Too bad it went so very south from the get go for the Lakers and for him. Yeah he has the money but clearly wants to play and has pride from what he has been in the league. Probably still thinks he can play in the right situation. If he was hitting his shots normally as per his career numbers maybe that's true as a PF.
     
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    steve nash says hi! imagine you trade an unprotected first for deng right now, strike out in FA, and give philly the #2 overall pick two years from now.

    and lotto protected picks aren't enough for a team to eat that kind of salary.

    to me, the best bet is still to try to break his contract into smaller or shorter parts. could you trade for a player that is useless but makes half as much money for twice as many years and is accompanied by immediate salary relief? it's essentially like stretch-waiving, except instead of having 7.5 million in purely dead money, you have 9 million in largely dead money (which, in a couple years, turns into salary ballast for trades--something buyout money can't do). you may have to pay a protected 1st for that, but i'd do it to have the flexibility.

    example:

    lakers trade deng and a lotto-protected first to chicago for felicio and pondexter.


    why for la? lakers shave 9 million off the cap without having to pay deng until after he's dead.

    why for chicago? felicio isn't good, nor is pondexter, and you're not going to use all that cap space this summer (at least not wisely), so you might as well pick up a 1st rounder for adding 9 million to your payroll. it would only put them at like, 55 or something, if my math and source is right.
     
    abeer3, Jan 31, 2018
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    Deng/chi 2nd for Jr Smith, stretch smith butt right after, his final yr is only partial guaranteed, the way smith been sucking it wouldnt be much different with deng in there instead
     
    Khmrp, Jan 31, 2018
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    "I really want to play, but not enough to give up any money"
     
    sirronstuff, Jan 31, 2018
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