Discussion in 'Lakers Discussion' started by Helljumper, Jun 15, 2018.
I mean I don't know.
I see what you did there.
You're a mod, whatta you worried about?
If that is true, I think it would be best for us. I think he'd resign if it where the 76ers, but not Toronto. I think we would get him next year. Kawai and Durant 2019!
Toronto is awesome, i would stay there if i was Kawhi.
As for this Durant talk, i hope his soft a** stays a Warrior till retirement.
spurs adding a 1st? odd. trade makes sense otherwise. i'm ok with it. if we offered ingram/deng, and they chose a package with an established star, what can you do?
hopefully, toronto can take down boston and philly.
of course, that's all if this source is accurate, which i doubt.
Why would Toronto include Derozan who isn’t expiring in that trade? I understand if they were both expiring and Toronto wanted to shoot their shot at having Kawhi stay, but otherwise, why would they risk trading their all star player, whom still has multiple years on his contract, for a guy that can walk the very next year?
because they're dead in the water as is? it's kind of similar to the okc trade for george last year, except derozan is higher profile than oladipo (or higher than VO was at that time). but leonard's higher profile than george, too.
if leonard walks, they're off of derozan's expensive deal and can get on with the rebuild. i get it.
Most players whould,but I guess he would only sign with the 76ers out of all east teams. And Durant maybe soft but I feel that when/if LeBron actually did text him about coming to LA, Durant told him he might next year,just a feeling of course. But Imo,I don't care how soft he is,if he wants to come to LA, you take him. LeBron being ok coming here with no other super star is cool and all,but goes against everything he has done before and if we want to win, we need others. So maybe he knows something we dont about 2019?
This sounds good. We give up nothing, and Kawhi goes east. If he is not happy there, we give him a warm welcome next summer.
or is that a snake?
I still think thats a terrible risk.
Kawhi is STILL apparently injured, says he only wants to be in LA, and if he walks, yeah they’re off DeRozen’s contract, but it’s never good to let an all star walk when you’re in a city that has a hard time attracting stars.
So say Toronto has a bunch of cap space because Kawhi walks... now what? Does any other all star really sign there into your cap space with no other all stars on the team? No, you’re in a much better position to try to trade for someone that will be there for a few years, and including DeRozen in the trade.
hmmm...so you're saying cap space isn't a plan?
i think my opinion of derozan might be lower than yours, though. when he signed that contract, i predicted he'd eventually be a salary dump.
I don't think that's necessarily a bad trade on paper, but I do question the Raptors for thinking they could keep Kawhi long term.
Toronto wants to get out of the Derozan contract (proven playoff choker). I would trade him for some better picks and 2 semi all-star guys.
Cap space can only be a plan if you have something attractive for free agents. Lakers are in a city with lots of business opportunities, visibility for endorsement deals, and talented young players on great contracts due to drafting well. Toronto has none of that.
And I don’t nessisarily think DeRozen is the best player in the world, but he’s all they got, and he still has value league wide. They should be very very careful not to squander the only valuable commodity they have as a team, so I think it’s foolish for them to roll the dice on Kawhi.
That being said, it would be great for the Lakers! By all means please do trade for Kawhi and let him long for 70 degree Los Angeles nights.
I think it makes sense for both sides, especially if there's a pick going back to Toronto.
For whatever reason, San Antonio still doesn't understand that they're about to go through a rebuild. They've been up front that they want established players back as much, if not more, than young assets. DeRozan's atrocious performance in the playoffs has outworn his welcome in Toronto, it's time to try again somewhere else. OG Anunoby is actually the one I don't understand being included in the deal. That kid is rock solid. If he were on Boston, people would be fawning over him instead of Jaylen Brown.
For Toronto, they might be more willing to go through the rebuild. Almost all of their salary comes off the books in 2019 or 2020. They clearly aren't good enough to win anything. Ibaka has regressed so much he's hardly a factor at all anymore. Valanciunas is nothing. The Lowry/DeRozan connection doesn't work. Neither of them are strong enough to lead a team to the Finals. By doing this, you clear salary and get a player who might actually be good enough to get the team there. If Kawhi walks, he walks. The rebuild starts. If he stays, you get a piece actually worth building around.
A trade that makes a little more sense is DeRozan/Poltl/Powell for Kawhi/Gasol/2020 1st (protected lottery).
I was thinking the same thing between him and Giannis, but both those dudes are eligible for a supermax in the coming summers (AD in '19 and Giannis in '20)...plus their current contracts take them thru the summer of 2020...so if they open up cap it's for the UFA draft class of KAT/DLo or the RFA class of Simmons/BI.
But with the current rumored deal for DeRozan, it's in teetering that he had a player option for the 2020/21 season, meaning it fits right in with the Spurs blueprint of players on 2 year deals.
Btw, Walker just signed his rookie deal so he can't be traded for another 30 days and Metu is left unsigned but just broke his wrist in SL, so our will be interesting to see how the Spurs approach Kawhi drags with Metu as filler.