Chippy response? Did I say something outrageous? (actually just read your more expansive response above that). Which was fine. Just saying maybe he's busting his a** more this year than ever since it's a contract year. Players get accused of that all the time. I haven't seen him play much since he left and liked him fine as a baller when he was here. Was really just mentioning it plus was saying it's possible as well that Lonzo by year 4 is up 95% in all the indicators too by year 4. Or not. But he's acknowledged as an excellent team defender and so so on the ball but most everyone would say better than DAR. Was just making conversation. You seemed to be comparing 4 years in DAR to 2 years in Ball who also lost a sizable amount of games his rookie year and all summer virtually this year to really be able to work on his game.