To Serve And Protect

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion and Philosophy -(FORUM CLOSED)-' started by Barnstable, Nov 25, 2014.

  1. therealdeal

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    It wasn't bad honestly just not close to as good. The original is so great!
     
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    Unfortunately, par for the course. It is mind numbing how evil these people are and they hide behind the honorable standing of being a public officer. Those bad cops should be hung from a tree.

    I had multiple convos on this topic before regarding how people yank out the incarceration stats to make their racial point with respect to the relationship between Black people and law enforcement, specifically to justify enhanced enforcement and excessive use of force. These outrageous incidents are why I don’t accept the stats provided, they are not clean stats.
     
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    Barnstable Supreme Fuzzler of Lakersball.com Staff Member

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    Ridiculous
     
  7. Barnstable

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    Barnstable Supreme Fuzzler of Lakersball.com Staff Member

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    I didn't know any person could call the police on any other person and have them immediately investigated as a suspicious person. That's wild, seems like a pretty loose use of law, lol "soliciting".


     
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    I tend to not take Cenk seriously. Especially with his comments that he makes about police training in regards to shoot first and talk after? Shows his ignorance to the profession and how ill informed he is about police training.
     
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    It’s quite common. Whenever we get calls, we use the information we have at the time, and look into it further. All it takes a name and date of birth... we talk a little, nothing fishy is going on, he’s on his way home after 5 mins...
     
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    I find it difficult to take Cenk seriously ever since I learned that he believes the Armenian genocide never happened. He issued a half-baked apology 2 years ago to try to cover his a**, but he never actually retracted his opinion.
     
  13. Barnstable

    Barnstable Supreme Fuzzler of Lakersball.com Staff Member

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    Oh, I don't like Cenk at all. He seems really immature to me and I don't think he presents arguments well. But I like most of the other host on that show.

    Still, just because I don't like him doesn't mean that he's wrong. You keep saying all these shootings aren't racism, but a training issue, but he's saying it's about the training too.
     
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    I think the statement he made was completely wrong. And I still feel the majority of the public still fails to see the extent of firearms training and scenario training that comes with being a cop.

    There are def issues with the way agencies conduct business, not saying that’s non-existent. But to throw out statements like that’s racist or they’re trained to shoot first talk later after every critical incident that has a bad outcome; is completely wrong and ignorant.

    But def a tragedy, and really a lose lose situation for both sides. Well everyone
     
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    So you think the media and SJWs are only reporting on the unarmed black people being killed, but there are even more unarmed whites being killed by police that aren't being reported upon (deductively because there are a lot more whites than blacks in the US)? I'm trying to understand how you don't recognize that these kinds of stories are always of black people getting killed.
     
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    No, I think all media report on. It’s a good headline, “unarmed black man killed by police”. That’s gonna grab the eyes of almost anyone. But they don’t describe the circumstances that come with it. Which is why it is heavily reported on and always on the news. Yet, DOJ shows in their stats that white men are still the most involved in officer involved shootings.

    Again, I’m not saying police practices are perfect, they’re not and there is always room for improvement. But saying what cenk says, is dangerous and irresponsible, especially with the platform that he has.
     
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    Ok... but then we’ve also seen tons of videos showing the exact circumstances and it’s still denied by most police that the officer was in the wrong in these kinds of shootings, so it’s not that we don’t know the circumstances. We often do know the circumstances but it's still denied that the officer was ever in the wrong.

    Please stop using this argument. This is a terrible straw man argument. It doesn’t hold up to basic mathematical logic. Of course more whites are killed by the police every year. There are more whites in the US than anyone else. It only stands to reason that there would be more whites killed because of population alone. Here are the numbers to support what I'm saying:

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    In 2012 from the FBI's Supplemental Homicide report, Whites made up 63% of the US population, and were 46% of those shot while not attacking, by the police. At the same time blacks made up only 13% of the US population but a huge 39% of non attacking suspect shootings by the police. So police are massively, disproportionately, shooting non attacking blacks even though more whites were shot. Do you not see why the argument that more whites are shot every year by the police is a terrible argument now?
     
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    Its not the best granted, but I still standby my point here. It is irresponsible and damaging to throw the word racist out there every single time a shooting occurs and it involves a black person. Blacks do make up 13% of the US population, yet they account for more than 60% of police contacts, 50% of violent crimes here in the states and still account for almost all the crime in low income neighborhoods... So the graph you presented at face value shows a "problem" but in reality its much more than that.
     
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    Sorry I forgot to reply.

    I started typing out a longer explanation of what I'm about to say and realized after a page's worth of text, I had only gotten through my first point, so for expediency, I'm just going to give you the cliff notes and you can ask for any proof you need on anything you don't understand.

    The US is 242 years old. That's the life of three 80 year old people from when the country was first founded to today. Slavery "ended" about 153 years ago, so that's now two 76 year old people's lifetimes from the 13th amendments ratification to today. About 12 years after slavery they decided blacks were gaining too much education and power and they enacted Jim Crow laws and used one clause in the 13th amendment to continue slavery in 1865 "slavery was deemed unconstitutional with the exception of slavery as punishment for a crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted."

    "Black convicts were leased to private companies, typically industries profiteering from the region’s untapped natural resources. As many as 200,000 black Americans were forced into back-breaking labor in coal mines, turpentine factories and lumber camps. They lived in squalid conditions, chained, starved, beaten, flogged and sexually violated. They died by the thousands from injury, disease and torture. For both the state and private corporations, the opportunities for profit were enormous. For the state, convict lease generated revenue and provided a powerful tool to subjugate African-Americans and intimidate them into behaving in accordance with the new social order. It also greatly reduced state expenses in housing and caring for convicts. For the corporations, convict lease provided droves of cheap, disposable laborers who could be worked to the extremes of human cruelty. Every southern state leased convicts, and at least nine-tenths of all leased convicts were black. In reports of the period, the terms “convicts” and “negroes” are used interchangeably." Jim Crow laws were enforced until 1965 (my mother who is still alive, was already 28 years old when Jim Crow laws were no longer "legal", just to give another reminder of how little time has passed since then). So that's another 100 years of legalized slavery, mostly in the south.

    But overlapping that starting in the 1930s, William Randolph Hurst, and Harry Anslinger who was Director of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics (the precursor to today’s Drug Enforcement Agency, or DEA), started the Drug War targeting Reefer specifically used more often by blacks because quoting Hurst "Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men”.

    To this day federal and private prisons have inmates fighting fires or making lingerie, for instance, for as low as 18 cents for a day's work. "The Bureau of Prisons paid $639 million to private prisons in fiscal year 2014, averaging $22,159 per prisoner." "Blacks are sentenced 20% longer than whites with a similar criminal history for the same crime." "In the 1930s, Congress began allowing the bureau of prisons to put prisoners to work making products -- part of an effort to rehabilitate them. But there was a catch. Because its labor costs are so cheap -- prisoners make less than a dollar an hour -- Federal Prison Industries was not allowed to sell products to anyone but government agencies and non-profits.

    In testimony before Congress ( in 2005), Bureau of Prisons Director Harley Lappin argued that call centers are a service, not a product, and are therefore not covered by the 1930s law. According to Lappin, that logic also applies to the bureau's new recycling centers, printing facilities and industrial laundry rooms. Lappin said these services can be offered to any company in the private sector.

    Federal Prison Industries advertises its call centers as "Domestic outsourcing at offshore prices." So there's a cash and free work force incentive to keeping blacks locked up. This shouldn't be up for dispute. All of this is fact."

    Then you have the CIA. In the 1980's crack flooded into black communities enabled by the CIA as a way to fund the Nicaraguan Contras, fighting the socialist regime in Nicaragua. Prison incarceration has risen 790% since that point, mostly with blacks and mostly drug related. This is the most recent attack that destroyed black families, incarcerated black men in the millions, and we are just starting to begin the process of recovering today with some of the newer generation.

    All the while they set up discriminatory housing practices to keep blacks together in ghettos with systems to keep then economically depressed. When a black community would get too financially successful, they would literally destroy it through terror tactics, shootings and bombings like they did Black Wall Street in Tulsa Oklahoma.

    I could go on forever, but to sum all of this up, you have a system specifically set up and designed to target blacks for incarceration for profit that started over 200 years ago and continues to this day. You have systems set up to keep them in economically depressed neighborhoods and target and destroy any neighborhoods that get too wealthy. And as I've demonstrated by giving you the actual timeline of all of these systems/incident, we're not talking long long ago. We're talking very very recent. So then you say blacks "account for more than 60% of police contacts, 50% of violent crimes here in the states and still account for almost all the crime in low income neighborhoods". The system sets up and encourages blacks to be 60% of all police contact for racist and profit motives.

    If you're not going to do anything to correct the injustices done to black people to this day, the least you can do is not make excuses for police resorting to killing black people that are unarmed during the police encounters that are prompted by the system. And while whole law enforcement departments have been shut down because of too many law suits levied against them for racist practices, and way too many officers have been discovered to be tied to white power movements, I'm not claiming all cops are racist. I'm sure some cops that have been accused of being racist aren't. Nothing is always true.

    But I am claiming the system was and is set up with racist intentions that have never been addressed, and the history of this country says it's likely enough that if a story looks racist historical evidence says it probably is.

    Things are getting better, but don't just drastically change overnight.
     
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    I think the idea that, all other things being equal, the average African-American walking down the street gets treated exactly the same as the average white person by law enforcement, is borderline insane.
     

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